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Vandelay,

I have yet to see denmark diplo-annex SWE in the early game 1492-1530s. In the few that I let go longer, best i have seen is mil-alliance but usually that does not happen at all. What really bothered me (playing the teutonic knights) was how many times DAN,SWE and Russia were fighting together on the same side. Usually on someone near the black sea, sometimes me :( The DAN-SWE kalmar union did go until 1521 like you say, but the dan-swe-rus things just bugs the crap out of me. So I have been experimenting with various things. latest is that SWE breaks from DAN in 1497. The easist solution is probably just lower the DAN-RUS diplo numbers 40-80pts. In two games tonight, no wars between SWE and DAN :( last one, SWE and DEN ended up in mil-alliance by 1502. The huge dynamic in the game is who allies with whom. That has big diplo shifts as your allies pull you into wars you have no businues fighting.

Also tonight, have played with the historic events in order to learn more about how to make the DAN-SWE relationship slightly more complex. there are events to raise and lower diplomatic views so that is a good place to start. Next is messing around with some rebellion settings. In general, it would just be nice to have a better feel then it does with standard IGC. It would be nice to find an uprising event. the 1517 uprising (forgot the details) would be nice to get in there, along with some anti-DAN diplo events. First real step is understand what the EU engine can do.

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but the dan-swe-rus things just bugs the crap out of me. So I have been experimenting with various things. latest is that SWE breaks from DAN in 1497.
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It bugs the crap out of me too. Sweden as a friendly ally of Denmark's is completely unhistorical, and Swedish-Russian alliances almost as unlikely. In the early versions of EU it never happened, but something appears to have changed in the AI around patch 1.07. It might also be an IGC issue since I never play the regular GC any more; maybe we have managed to screw up the DiploMatrix. However I lean towards tagging this as an AI issue. It needs to be fixed, and I would even consider shortening the vassalage to Denmark (but there could be better solutions.)
 
Sweden should have good relations with the irques.
"Nya sverige" almost kicked england and holland out of north america thanks to the help they recived from the natives in north america.
the irques should also be more powerfull to simulate this.
 
Originally posted by Lars
Sweden should have good relations with the irques.
"Nya sverige" almost kicked england and holland out of north america thanks to the help they recived from the natives in north america.
the irques should also be more powerfull to simulate this.
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I know the Swedes settled in what is now Delaware and parts of Pennsylvania and New Jersey, but from what I've read, there were never enough of them to seriously infuence what happened around them. The Dutch were too strongy established on Manhattan and the English were settlements too far away. Anyway, they were only there for 17 years before the Dutch annexed them.
 
Originally posted by Demetrios


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I know the Swedes settled in what is now Delaware and parts of Pennsylvania and New Jersey, but from what I've read, there were never enough of them to seriously infuence what happened around them. The Dutch were too strongy established on Manhattan and the English were settlements too far away. Anyway, they were only there for 17 years before the Dutch annexed them.
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Agreed. Sweden had no real impact on North America in this time frame. Oddly enough, the Dutch found that running the former Swedish colonies was too much work, and were on the verge of giving them back to Sweden. But then the English intervened by conquering New Amsterdam, and the English took the former "New Sweden" as well.
 
May I ask something about Greece's diplomatic relations? (again)

Originally posted by axi
Cuz I chose the fantasy option with Greece free in 1492 where some of these numbers seem totally absurd.

Good relations with all other orthodox states are OK, specially with Serbia and Russia (shouldn't there be a RM with Russia in there too? I think one of the Russian kings was married to the niece of the last Byzantine Emperor Konstaninos Paleologos, and that's why Russia claimed to be heir of the Roman Empire)

Anyway, what I can't get is the hatred with P-L. Is it because of Russia? But then why can't it be less, like it is with Sweden, the Teutons and co?

Also why, of all nations in Europe, a special liking for Bavaria and Dennmark? True, the first king appointed to Greece (by the British, French and Russians) in 1833 was Bavarian and after his death in 1864 there was appointed a Danish one, but still this is 1492 we're talking about. Diplomatic relations back then would have nothing to do with two random picks made by the major powers of Europe more than 300 years later than that.

Slightly better relations with Austria, Hungary and the Mamelukes would be a bigger help to the Greek cause instead.

Just my two Drachmas...
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Won't anybody answer me? :(
 
sweden them self didnt do much but the natives said that they would protect sweden.
The natives was more problems for Dutch and england.

It is what i have heared, it might be wrong =/
 
Re: May I ask something about Greece's diplomatic relations? (again)

Originally posted by axi


Won't anybody answer me? :(
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Sounds to me like the diplomatic matrix for Greece could use a bit of tweaking. If you could suggest a more historical relationship with specific countries and bring them to Doomdark's attention, he could fix it in the IGC when "real life" gives him the time.
My suggestion is to give him a actual list of the proposed changes - which nation and to what level, as well as a brief reasoning why. (IE, don't just say - Greece should be liked by Poland more. Say for example, "change Greece/Poland relationships to nuetral, at 0" - or whatever).
Post it here, so people can give their input as well. The upside is, you too can have your name listed as a contributor to the IGC - it can only help when you send your resume to a computer game designer! :)
 
Well, I also think that Poland-Lithuania is too powerfull.

I think it will be better to impair relations between Russia and Poland - they hate each other, especially Russia. Also, this will weaken Poland... A little, through...
 
IGC 2.1, EU 1.09
My major problems are:

1)Im not sure if this is considered Diplomacy, but ill say it anyways. When 1546 comes around, and the netherlands begins revolting, Half of the time Netherland wont declare independence. It will remain rebel controlled until the edict of tolerance, when the spanish will eventually move in and take back over.

2)Russia's relations with the Christian nations goes to hell in a handbasket too quickly. I can understand Sweden and Poland hating Russia, but often I will be at -200 with every christian nation except Denmark by 1530-40. I always have to continually pay cash to any christian nations to keep them from hating my guts. I was wondering if you could atleast slow down the decline of russia's relations with christian nations.
 
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