Because of that temp CB, France went in and conquered Naples almost exactly on schedule in the game I am now playing.
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Moldavia
Well, there are maps that show it both ways. Matthias Corvinus (crowned King of Hungary in 1458) had control of Moldavia (that extended to the coast of the Black Sea) at the time of his death in 1490. Incidentally, he also controlled Wallachia, Serbia, Bosnia, and chunks of both Bohemia and Austria (Habsburg). Unfortunately he had no heirs, so much of this dissolved upon his death.
Historically, Moldavia (Moldova) stretched South to the Black Sea and was bordered on the East by the Dniestr and the West by the Siret, so Bujak was definitely Moldavian territory (though these days it's Ukrainian, and Moldova's Western border is the Prut).
The historical atlas I have open, though, also has Bujak as part of the Ottoman Empire in 1492, and most of the maps seem to indicate this.
Bessarabia, by the way, actually falls within Moldavia. The Bessarabia province is wonky, though there are a number of other areas where this is true.
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Well, there are maps that show it both ways. Matthias Corvinus (crowned King of Hungary in 1458) had control of Moldavia (that extended to the coast of the Black Sea) at the time of his death in 1490. Incidentally, he also controlled Wallachia, Serbia, Bosnia, and chunks of both Bohemia and Austria (Habsburg). Unfortunately he had no heirs, so much of this dissolved upon his death.
Historically, Moldavia (Moldova) stretched South to the Black Sea and was bordered on the East by the Dniestr and the West by the Siret, so Bujak was definitely Moldavian territory (though these days it's Ukrainian, and Moldova's Western border is the Prut).
The historical atlas I have open, though, also has Bujak as part of the Ottoman Empire in 1492, and most of the maps seem to indicate this.
Bessarabia, by the way, actually falls within Moldavia. The Bessarabia province is wonky, though there are a number of other areas where this is true.
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Re: Moldavia
Bessarabia seems to be divided at 1492 between Moldavia and Turkey, maybe it should be given to Moldavia to stop those Poland DOWs on Turkey early in the game, but that also means that Poland will have a CB against Moldavia and there is a risk that Poland will annex Moldavia early......
Here is another link from Britannica;
"At the end of the 14th century the southern portion of the region became part of Walachia (the name Bessarabia probably is derived from the Walachian dynasty Basarab); and in the 15th century the entire province was incorporated into the principality of Moldavia. Shortly thereafter the Turks invaded and captured Akkerman and Chilia (1484) and annexed the southern portion of Bessarabia, dividing it into two sancaks (districts) of the Ottoman Empire. The remainder of Bessarabia fell under Turkish domination when Moldavia submitted to the Turks in the 16th century. The region remained under Turkish control until the 19th century."
Bessarabia seems to be divided at 1492 between Moldavia and Turkey, maybe it should be given to Moldavia to stop those Poland DOWs on Turkey early in the game, but that also means that Poland will have a CB against Moldavia and there is a risk that Poland will annex Moldavia early......
Here is another link from Britannica;
"At the end of the 14th century the southern portion of the region became part of Walachia (the name Bessarabia probably is derived from the Walachian dynasty Basarab); and in the 15th century the entire province was incorporated into the principality of Moldavia. Shortly thereafter the Turks invaded and captured Akkerman and Chilia (1484) and annexed the southern portion of Bessarabia, dividing it into two sancaks (districts) of the Ottoman Empire. The remainder of Bessarabia fell under Turkish domination when Moldavia submitted to the Turks in the 16th century. The region remained under Turkish control until the 19th century."
I meant that the Bessarabia region does not fall within the EU Bessarabia province (which should probably be called Jedisan). Historically, Bessarabia was bordered by the Dniestr on the East, the Prut in the West, and ran South to the Black sea.
The Moldova region included Bessarabia, and continued West to the Siret.
Today, this Western strip of Moldova is part of Romania (and is still called Moldova), while the country of Moldova occupies the northern part of Bessarabia.
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The Moldova region included Bessarabia, and continued West to the Siret.
Today, this Western strip of Moldova is part of Romania (and is still called Moldova), while the country of Moldova occupies the northern part of Bessarabia.
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Actually, medieval and early modern Moldova didn't end at the Siret, but continued west into the Carpathians.
As for Bessarabia, don't get me started! I really don't like the compression of the whole western Ukraine; there should be at least two or three more provinces there. Bessarabia should be the eastern half of EU's Moldova province; the EU Bessarabia should be larger and be called Jedisan in the south and Zaporozhia in the north. Podolia shouldn't border the Dnieper, and there should be a Left-Bank and Right-Bank Ukraine provinces. There also should be a Volhynia province between Galicia and Right-Bank Ukraine.
As for Bessarabia, don't get me started! I really don't like the compression of the whole western Ukraine; there should be at least two or three more provinces there. Bessarabia should be the eastern half of EU's Moldova province; the EU Bessarabia should be larger and be called Jedisan in the south and Zaporozhia in the north. Podolia shouldn't border the Dnieper, and there should be a Left-Bank and Right-Bank Ukraine provinces. There also should be a Volhynia province between Galicia and Right-Bank Ukraine.
Teutonic Order (1492 - 1561)
Research on the Teutonic Order , please feel free to comment.
http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9781
Research on the Teutonic Order , please feel free to comment.
http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9781
Brittany
As Brittany was set up rightly as a vassal nation of France, it would be nice to made it complete by adding one province to the Duché de Bretagne: Vendée.
I know that some will say (rightly) that the Vendée province covers more than what was in the Breton territory. In fact Vendée is actually only the southern part of the game province.
The main reason for making it Breton is that its capital Nantes was the capital of Brittany, even if it is now not in the actual Bretagne region (still a sensitive issue in France).
Another reason is that Vendée was economically and politically not much compare to Nantes during the period covered by the game and before being known for its involvement against the Republic during the revolution wars. It would therefore make sense to give it to Brittany.
As Brittany was set up rightly as a vassal nation of France, it would be nice to made it complete by adding one province to the Duché de Bretagne: Vendée.
I know that some will say (rightly) that the Vendée province covers more than what was in the Breton territory. In fact Vendée is actually only the southern part of the game province.
The main reason for making it Breton is that its capital Nantes was the capital of Brittany, even if it is now not in the actual Bretagne region (still a sensitive issue in France).
Another reason is that Vendée was economically and politically not much compare to Nantes during the period covered by the game and before being known for its involvement against the Republic during the revolution wars. It would therefore make sense to give it to Brittany.
Re: Brittany
I certainly agree. It makes few sense that the capital province of Britanny isn't part of it.
I certainly agree. It makes few sense that the capital province of Britanny isn't part of it.
I agree that EU in this is not historically compliant. Moldova [and not the Russian version Moldavia] incorporated Carpathian Muntenia [and not Ruthenia - a name most probably found on Magyar maps] that not belonged to Hungary in 1492 and even later.
Bessarabia - another name converted to suit Russian language, should be Basarabia [from the Basarab dynasty]. And I think that the province is shown correctly because it was western Ukraine much later - I think in 19th century, while in 1492 it was Moldovan territory. At 1492 Stefan cel Mare "the Great" constructed a fortress in nothern part of EU Bessarabia [Soroca] to protect the country against Poland-Lithuania and controlled an ex-Genovesse fortress [recalled in Cetatea Alba] in southern part on Black Sea shore used for protection against Crimean Tatars raids and maritime trade.
I agree with you on the issue that EU Bessarabia should be divided in two regions.
Hi folks:
I write this in order to point out a (I think) BIG historical inaccuracy in EU. In fact is so big I´m surprised nobody has pointed it out.
The inaccuracy is about Granada, we all know it was taken in 1492 so we think it should be in the game but, ¿do we know precisely when it was taken? I´ve got the answer,2 January 1492. So it´s just two days in the period covered by the game and in fact that day was the day the kings of Spain offically entered the city, because it had "de facto" surrendered a week before.
My point is that there should be no kingdom of Granada in the game, at least in 1492 (it could appear after because of a rebellion) and not only for historical reasons but also because it imbalances the game. In the early years of the game it´s a thorn in Spain´s side (and not only early I´ve seen Granada survive until 1650) so I think Grenada should be deleted and its tag used for another country.
I write this in order to point out a (I think) BIG historical inaccuracy in EU. In fact is so big I´m surprised nobody has pointed it out.
The inaccuracy is about Granada, we all know it was taken in 1492 so we think it should be in the game but, ¿do we know precisely when it was taken? I´ve got the answer,2 January 1492. So it´s just two days in the period covered by the game and in fact that day was the day the kings of Spain offically entered the city, because it had "de facto" surrendered a week before.
My point is that there should be no kingdom of Granada in the game, at least in 1492 (it could appear after because of a rebellion) and not only for historical reasons but also because it imbalances the game. In the early years of the game it´s a thorn in Spain´s side (and not only early I´ve seen Granada survive until 1650) so I think Grenada should be deleted and its tag used for another country.
I also feel the tag should be better put to use for another country instead of one that only lasted 2 days in the game. However they *did* last 2 days in the game so u can't say it's incorrect it's there.
Re: Moldavia
Actually Turkey and Hungary fought a war in the 70's and signed a peace treaty in 1481. However Moldavia was not covered under this treaty (Matthias obviously overlooked it) so when Turkey attacked them in 1484 Hungary didn't react even though Moldavia was effectively a vassal. LOL
Anyway ever thought about giving Serbia to Hungary? Belgrade was an important stronghold until 1521, when it was conquered by the Turks. So it might get a small fortress as should Buda.
Actually Turkey and Hungary fought a war in the 70's and signed a peace treaty in 1481. However Moldavia was not covered under this treaty (Matthias obviously overlooked it) so when Turkey attacked them in 1484 Hungary didn't react even though Moldavia was effectively a vassal. LOL
Anyway ever thought about giving Serbia to Hungary? Belgrade was an important stronghold until 1521, when it was conquered by the Turks. So it might get a small fortress as should Buda.
About the Iroquois
I have posted it in another thread, but I think it belongs here instead (sorry for the crosspost)
First, there is a spelling error in the game.
It should be spelled IroQUOis instead of IroQOUis. I don't know about the GC, but in the IGC, it is wrong.
Second, their territories are a bit misplaced. In 1492-1792, they were a bit more up north than in the game with the Mohawks in Quebec, along the Richelieu River. And there was five nations at this time, not six like today. The nation most to the south was in front of Niagara, not Detroit as it is shown currently.
If anybody wants to see the map, go to
http://www.lagrandepaix.org
Take the link (on top) for "The Great Peace" than "Map of the 1700".
I have posted it in another thread, but I think it belongs here instead (sorry for the crosspost)
First, there is a spelling error in the game.
It should be spelled IroQUOis instead of IroQOUis. I don't know about the GC, but in the IGC, it is wrong.
Second, their territories are a bit misplaced. In 1492-1792, they were a bit more up north than in the game with the Mohawks in Quebec, along the Richelieu River. And there was five nations at this time, not six like today. The nation most to the south was in front of Niagara, not Detroit as it is shown currently.
If anybody wants to see the map, go to
http://www.lagrandepaix.org
Take the link (on top) for "The Great Peace" than "Map of the 1700".
Re: Re: Moldavia
Serbia was initially Hungarian in the GC but it was given to the Turks, as I believe, because the Serbie on the EU map is actually the territory under the river, under Belgrade.
Serbia was initially Hungarian in the GC but it was given to the Turks, as I believe, because the Serbie on the EU map is actually the territory under the river, under Belgrade.