"Improved Grand Campaign" Project

[Hartmann]

Yesterday was a Sunday and this gave me a little time to think about the 'improved GC' project, and actually I also did a little editing.
All past and future editing of mine was and will be done on the basis of the 'Doomdark patch', which already incorporates many most wanted changes. I will do so as long as Doomie does appreciate of this and does not decide to develop his patch in a different direction.

In the past I

1) Added a Brandenburg CB shield to Silesia (whereas the one on Western Prussia was removed).
2) Added Austria CB shields all over Hungary except Serbia.
3) Adjusted Golden Horde strength.
4) Adjusted Known Provinces for the Khanates and some countries affected by them.

Yesterday, I

5) Repaired a slight glitch in the Known Provinces section of the Khanates (I had introduced)
6) Changed the unhistorical name 'Irak' to the correct one, which is 'Aq Qoyunlu' ('White sheep Turks').
7) Added Ragusan Republic as a new minor to the game (without removing any other country!). This included

- wharf
- 7k army (6k/1k/0)
- 2/0/5 navy
- Ragusa has a royal marriage and vassalship with Venice
- Trader AI activated
- Added appropriate diplomatical relations to all countries
- Added a provisional 'dummy monarch file'

NEED HELP:
- need info about the heads of the republic from 1492-1792 together with stats
- need someone, who will deliver Ragusan shield and flag.

@sapura: Testing results of this setting: Like a dream!

In the future, I will

8) Add Greece as a possible revolter.
- Three provinces: Hellas, Morea and Kyklades. Hellas and Morea have to revolt. Hellas will be capital.

NEED HELP:
- someone should provide me with a reasonable 'monarch list' together with stats
- someone please provide me shield and flag for Greece

9) Will add Ethopia

- I will maybe have to remove a country, which in this case will be Cyrenaica (which was Mameluke territory anyway)
- I think I solved the unitgraphics problem associated with this

NEED HELP:

- someone should provide me shield and flag of Ethiopia
- province borders seem not to allow a 100% correct historical setting. Someone should propose to me, which provinces, should go to Ethiopia, where the capital should be, which of the Christian religions should be chosen (probably Orthodox) and whatever else seems important

10) Will add one of the South East Asian empires.

- This will probably be done by deleting Hyderabad, but maybe I can also do without this.

NEED HELP:
- people should propose the best possible candidate for addition together with all important info for the setup
- of course, I will also need flags and shields

11) Mogul empire will be edited.
- Will edit owned provinces
- Will add an AI file.

NEED help:
- Someone should tell me, which additional provinces should be Mogulian in 1492 and whether these are cities/colonies/ports etc.

12) Brandenburg will receive an AI file.
13) Will adjust diplomatic relations of the Khanates to reflect historical situation
14) Will think about adding Brazil as a possible revolter.
15) Will add either the Khanate of Ryazan or Kasimov.

That´s it for now. Additional suggestions are always welcome!

Hartmann




[This message has been edited by Hartmann (edited 29-01-2001).]

 

[Oranje]

Hello Hartmann,

Sounds pretty good.

One suggestion, if at all possible you should consider possibilities not to replace files in the game, just add a few.
That way more people would use it I think, as they need not worry about what your alternative GC does for their original game.
If impossible, try to include a fool-proof readme file with instructions.

greetings, Oranje


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[Hartmann]

Hi Oranje,

it´s not possible to avoid changing a bunch of additional files. So a foolproof readme will be obligatory. Another foolproof way is to install a second copy of EU (if one´s harddisk space allows for this).

Regards, Hartman

 

[Leprechaun]

Hello Hartmann,
I did some research on the Mogul empire!
Here my suggestion:
The Provinces: Indus, Thar, Kutch, Cambay, Nagpur (it’s an Hydarabad province-casus belli?),Bilhaspur, Jamshedpur, Howrah, Ganges, Manira, Allahabad, the two provinces above Jamshedpur, Howrah and Ganges. Maybe the Persian province Kalat, but I’m not quite sure….
That would be before 1700, after that point, add all the provinces in the south exept Madurai, Cochin, Kerala, Mysore, Thevanium?(or how it is spelled), and Mangalore.
Sorry for these three Provincenames that I don’t know, but I just have that Map from this Forum right now…..
There should be cities in all provinces, sorry I don’t know their names, perhaps I can look them up…
I’m also not quite if the moguls had a fleet, so ports shouldn’t be available, but they had trade connections with german states, because the moguls used german cavalry sabres. ( Greetings from Solingen!! )
That’s all for now, I’ll go and look after some leaders and city-names.



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[Hartmann]

Thanks, Leprechaun. I need the exact settings for 1492, though. Maybe You will find them for me?

Hartmann

 

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HeeHee,

I think when Hartmann gets his 'improved' GC out then installing EU + 'Hartman/Doomdark-Patch' will feel like a LINUX-installation-session



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10) Will add one of the South East Asian empires.

- This will probably be done by deleting Hyderabad, but maybe I can also do without this.

NEED HELP:
- people should propose the best possible candidate for addition together with all important info for the setup
- of course, I will also need flags and shields

The best candidate IMHO would probably be Ayutthaya, which falls quite nicely within EU's time period (kingdom lasted from 1350 until its fall to the Burmese in 1767). Rich trading entrepot, so perhaps you could pop a COT into Ayutthaya (the capital) to start with.

Problem is that SEAsian history in this period is quite complex, with many of the characteristics of Europe in the same period. Although elsewhere in SEAsia, the Khmer empire was basically a goner and the kingdoms of Java were quarreling amongst themselves, you also had Vietnam (then known as Dai Viet - 'the Great South')and Burma in addition to Ayutthaya as significant states.

There were rivalries among all the mainland SEAsian kingdoms, as there were between the island ones too. So popping one kingdom in might not give you the historical 'shot' you're looking for, as the existence of more than one kingdom in the region and the rivalries (eco, mil, pol) was rich ground for European colonialism. To do the region properly, you'd have to add at least three major states (Dai Viet, Ayutthaya and Burma) and a handful of minor ones rising and falling (Khmer and Mon kingdoms in mainland, Demak, Mataram, Bugis, etc in island). Quite a task. But imagine how fun it would be to start out as Le Hien Tong (1497-1504) and conquer Dai Viet's former lord China. You might even reach France before they get to you...

Historically, Europe should also lose a lot of its explorers in there (de Brito, Magellan..)

 

[daboese]

Doesn't that leave Venice being lots weaker than it was before by taking off Ragusa? Perhaps it needs some more ships, then (or its COT should be even larger). And considering England (to make it grow stronger), how about adding more ships to it in the later stages (or even at 1492), especially before 1588?

 

[Hartmann]

Originally posted by CampedCrusader:
HeeHee,

I think when Hartmann gets his 'improved' GC out then installing EU + 'Hartman/Doomdark-Patch' will feel like a LINUX-installation-session

I hope not, CC, but who knows ...

Another problem is, that every official patch will overwrite most of the changed files again. So in case You want to keep it as Your 'main setting', You basically should always install a new official Patch to another directory first and then 'pick' just the files You want from it (mainly the executable of course).

Hartmann

 

[Savant]

8) Add Greece as a possible revolter.
- Three provinces: Hellas, Morea and Kyklades. Hellas and Morea have to revolt. Hellas will be capital.

If possible, it would be keen to have Greece and Balkans 'revolt-prone' at time sthat correspond with their 'unease' or that are triggered by events.

For example, after the Battle of Lepanto (1571) Greece and Balkan states revolted with rioting and it was so severe that many expected the Balkans to throw off the Ottoman yolk. Alas, we know it did nbot come to be, but it was thought of as inevitable for the first time in Europe during that period. This could be a 'year' trigger for the revolt or disatisfaction of these provinces or it could act as an event trigger - like if Turkey were to lose some other key province or a battle, then instability or 'revolt' would be triggered.

I'll see what I can do to help on Ragusa info. I haven't anything readily available, but I will search for any info I can get ahold of.

Your changes sound good Hartmann!

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[Hartmann]

@Dipo: You´re right, but even when using all tricks (MER, KAL, ITA etc.), the number of minors addable without deleting others first is extremely limited. (And not all unused abbreviations work very well without major fumbling. E.g. KAL is nice, but for MER one has to add a new column and line to the diplomaticalmatrix, and for ITA there´s even no shields.) And as there are only a few original countries like Cyrenaica, which can be deleted while keeping a good historical conscience, I think we will have to settle for only one SEA minor for now.

Hartmann

 

[Hartmann]

Originally posted by Savant:

If possible, it would be keen to have Greece and Balkans 'revolt-prone' at time sthat correspond with their 'unease' or that are triggered by events.

For example, after the Battle of Lepanto (1571) Greece and Balkan states revolted with rioting and it was so severe that many expected the Balkans to throw off the Ottoman yolk. Alas, we know it did nbot come to be, but it was thought of as inevitable for the first time in Europe during that period. This could be a 'year' trigger for the revolt or disatisfaction of these provinces or it could act as an event trigger - like if Turkey were to lose some other key province or a battle, then instability or 'revolt' would be triggered.

I'll see what I can do to help on Ragusa info. I haven't anything readily available, but I will search for any info I can get ahold of.

[/B]

We can specify the timespan, but not trigger it through events directly. On the other hand, when Turkey get´s in serious trouble, then also revolt risk (especially through war tiredness) will be high, so maybe it will run quite nicely by itself.

And any info about the leadership of Ragusa Republic would be HIGHLY appreciated!

Hartmann

 

[Hartmann]

Originally posted by daboese:
Doesn't that leave Venice being lots weaker than it was before by taking off Ragusa? Perhaps it needs some more ships, then (or its COT should be even larger). And considering England (to make it grow stronger), how about adding more ships to it in the later stages (or even at 1492), especially before 1588?

It already gets the Arsenale for partial compensation. Also, Ragusa is a vassal with royal marriage and quite good relations to start with, so maybe they can annex them later (...ah, have to look whether CB shield is missing!... ). In my test trials so far, though, Turkey always annexed Ragusa thereby getting the wharf there. But this mostly happened in the original game anyway. Any human Venice player will try to prevent this of course...

Hartmann

 

[Leprechaun]

Hey Hartmann,

I found some Monarchs, don’t know if they are already in the game:
Babur 1526-1530
Humayun 1530-1540, 1555-1556
Afghans(they where defeated by Humayun in 1555) 1540-1555
Akbar (excellent leader, tolerant in religion) 1556-1605 (I think he conquered these provinces: Indus, Thar, Kutch, Cambay, Nagpur, Bilhaspur, Jamshedpur, Howrah, Ganges, Manira, Allahabad, the two provinces above Jamshedpur, Howrah and Ganges.
Jehangir 1605-1627
Shah Jehan 1627-1658
Aurangzeb(military leader, good in diplomatics,but not tolerant in religious things) 1658-1707
They indeed had no fleet, they understood themselves as a land-based-power….
Also I wasn’t right about the dates which I mentioned….
The last provinces were conquered in the reign of Aurangzeb. After 1707 the empire collapsed.
Now, in 1492 there was no Mogul empire it was founded 1526 upon the ruins of an Maharadscha-State in Dehli.
Akbar also founded the City of Agra, but I don’t know where…( sorry )
By the way, Dehli was plundered by the Persians in 1739. They fought very often against each other, it was about Afghanistan.
I'll try to get exact dates when the provinces where conquered. Maybe it can take several days

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[Hartmann]

Sorry, Leprechaun, I may have caused You unnecessary work by not stating clear enough what I need. I already had researched the mogul monarchs here:
http://www.europa-universalis.com/forums/Forum1/HTML/000720-11.html

And Jas even has already given stats to them two pages later. (Although You may have a look at those stats and tell us, if You notice any shortcomings.)

Thing is: We need to know exactly the scope of the Mogul empire in 1492 and I´m glad that You´re doing research about that! Take Your time, I will not be able to implement all the announced changes soon anyway (because of too much RL issues).
This evening I will mainly work on the diplomaticmatrix and do some minor things (like correcting some misspellings in the colonynames.csv for Prussia/Austria).

Ciao, Hartmann

 

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Agra lies a little south of Delhi, not really far away. Beautifull place to visit!!!!

I will take alook as well into the mogul situation, and provide some stats. Since we have been there several times ( and would have gone to soon again, if it wasn't for the earthquake ), and my GF even lived there for a while, that part of the world has some of my extra attention. Will take a day or three, cause i need to get the books out of the boxes still ( just moved because of restoration of our place, and we didn't unpack everything )

Marc, the Dutch man who's girlfriend speaks Hindi

 

[Doomdark]

You´re right, but even when using all tricks (MER, KAL, ITA etc.), the number of minors addable without deleting others first is extremely limited. (And not all unused abbreviations work very well without major fumbling. E.g. KAL is nice, but for MER one has to add a new column and line to the diplomaticalmatrix, and for ITA there´s even no shields.)

Well, some nations in the game actually lack entries in the diplomatic matrix. For example, I am pretty sure that Norway is missing. I have no idea what the consequence is, but it would be logical to default to 0.

KAL is perfect to mod. In fact, I've used it in my 'Scandinavia Universalis' (soon to be seen on my EU site) scenario.

Still, there are some things that cannot be modified AFAIK. For example the values of the default leaders. How did you change the name of Irak btw?

/Doomie

 

[Hartmann]

Hi, Grandmaster Doomie!

To edit the name of a country You have to change the entry in text.csv (simple trick ! ).
If an added country (like MER) is missing in the diplomaticmatrix, then You have to add a new column and line for it (use a special database editor). If You don´t add anything for such a country, the game crashes. That´s why I´m surprised that NOR is missing (is it really?). Just be careful while adding the new line/column, because if one screws it up, the game crashes randomly at one point or another (as it happened to me while fumbling around with MER for Ragusa. Now it runs nicely under KAL). Another nice candidate for a Mod has to be HEI, but I have to test this first. BTW: The fictional 'country' END has always be the last one and all countries have relations 0 with this one.

Hartmann

 

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Originally posted by Hartmann:

I think we will have to settle for only one SEA minor for now.

Hartmann[/B]

My first preference would be Dai Viet, as that would beef up military resistance in the region. Ayutthaya I imagine would be played more eco, dip like Venice and thus a walkover for the majors when they get there. Not with Vietnam... These guys stopped Chinese expansion southward in its tracks, but they also experienced frequent internal dissension. In fact through most of the 16th and to 18th centuries, VN was divided between two powerful familes, the Trinh in the north and the Nguyen in the south, who frequently battled each other although Dai Viet was nominally under the Le dynasty. I don't know how that would be represented in the game.

I'm also giving you the kings of Ayutthaya/Thon Buri/Bangkok, though.

Later Le Dynasty:
Le Thanh Tong (1460-1497)- a very good king, scholar, administrator and land reformer. Too bad he dies five years into the game.
Le Hien Tong (1497-1504)
Le Tuc Tong (1504)
Le Uy Muc (1505-1509)
Le Tuong Duc (1510-1516)
Le Chieu Tong (1516-1522)
Le Cung Hoang (1522-1527)

Then you get a usurper:
Mac Dang Dung (1527-1533)

Dynasty is restored in 1533 (but not really)
Le Trang Tong (1533-1548)
Le Trung Tong (1549-1556)
Le Anh Tong (1557-1573)
Le The Tong (1573-1599)
Le Kinh Tong (1600-1619)
Le Than Tong (1619-1643) &(1649-1662)
Le Chan Tong (1643-1649)
Le Huyen Tong (1663-1671)
Le Gia Tong (1672-1675)
Le Hy Tong (1676-1705)
Le Dzu Tong (1705-1729)
Le Dzuy Phuong (1729-1732)
Le Thuan Tong (11732-1735)
Le Y Tong (1735-1740)
Le Hien Tong (1740-1786)
Le Chieu Thong (1787-1788)

The real power lies in the hands of the Trinh
Trinh Kiem (1545 - 1570) Trinh Tung (1570-1623) Trinh Trang (1623-1657) Trinh Tac (1657-1682) Trinh Can (1682-1709) Trinh Cuong (1709-1729) Trinh Giang (1729-1740)
Trinh Dzoanh (1740-1767) Trinh Sam (1767-1782) Trinh Cuon (1782) Trinh Khai (1782-1786) Trinh Bong (1787-1788)
and the Nguyen
Nguyen Kim (1533-1545)Nguyen Hoang (1558- 1622) Nguyen Phuoc Nguyen (1623-1634) Nguyen Phuoc Lan (1635-1648) Nguyen Phuoc Tan (1648-1687) Nguyen Phuoc Tran (1687-1692) Nguyen Phuoc Chu (1692 - 1715) Nguyen Phuoc Cho (1715-1738) Nguyen Phuoc Khoat (1738 - 1765) Nguyen Phuoc Thuan (1765- 1777).

Then finally, the three Tay Son brothers who put an end to the Dynasty
Quang Trung Nguyen Hue(1788-1792)- By the way he also kicked Qin butt.

Here are the kings of Ayutthaya as well:
King Ramatibodi II(1491-1529)
King Boromaraja IV(1529-1533)
Ratsadatiratkumar(1533)
King Chairacha Prajairaja(1534-1546)
Prince Yodfa/Queen Mother Sisudachan(1546-1548)
King Worawongsatirat(1548-1549)
King Mahachakrapat(1549-1569)
King Mahachakrapat(1569)
King Maha Tammaraja(1569-1590)
King Naresuan(1590-1605)
King Ekatotsarot(1605-1610)
King Sisaowaphak(1610)
King Songtam[The Just] (1610-1628)
King Jettatirat(1628-1629)
King Atatyawong(1629)
King Prasattong(1629-1655)
King Chao Fa Jai(1655-1656)
King Srisutammaraja(1656)
King Narai(1656-1688)
King Pra Petraja(1688-1703)
Khun Luang Sorasak[King Sanphet VIII] [King Tiger] (1703-1709)
King Taisra(1709-1733)
King Boromakot[Boromaraja III] (1733-1758)
King Utumporn(1758 & 1760-1762)
King Ekatat(1758-1760 & 1762-1767)

After the Burmese sack of Ayutthaya, you have the rise of a great general Taksin (1767-1782) who establishes new capital at Thon Buri. He is overthrown and the Chakri dynasty begins with King Rama I (1782-1809)in Krung Thep (Bangkok).

For flags, the Thai flag looks a lot like the Dutch one except red for where the orange should be. I think.

Mapwise, Ayutthaya fits more or less the shape of present-day Thailand. Dai Viet also I think looks a lot like present-day Vietnam but missing the far south, I think, which was still Khmer. I may be wrong.

 

[Hartmann]

Great! Especially if the Dai Viet border the Chinese (now, don´t they?). So I think we should go for them!
The monarchs have to be a little 'straightened out' for gameplay reasons (no one year monarchs for example). You should post this also in the 'leader thread', I think.
And, umm, could You also provide stats for these monarchs?

Hartmann

P.S.: If anyone comes up with research for the exact scope of Ethiopia, Mogul Empire and Vietnam, then it would be great if he could post the list of provinces together with the appropriate province numbers (in province.csv). Will spare me extra work! Thanks, folks!