Well, I want to play some EU2 MP. I read the FAQ, and it says I need to establish myself as a sub. So, how am I supposed to do that? Is this even the right forum for me to post this in?
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Welcome 5678!
Reading the FAQ is a good way to start. To get into the action I would recommend to either lend out your services by watching the Sub/Perm needed thread and/or jumping in new games as they start. That is how I got a part of the action. Be bold, and you shall be rewarded.
EDIT: This is the very right forum to post in.
Reading the FAQ is a good way to start. To get into the action I would recommend to either lend out your services by watching the Sub/Perm needed thread and/or jumping in new games as they start. That is how I got a part of the action. Be bold, and you shall be rewarded.
EDIT: This is the very right forum to post in.
Lurken said:
So just keep my eyes open for a new game, then? And would it be better to start out as a minor or a major?
Start as a faraway nation that you have played a lot. Russia can be a good option to start with...I did it in an ancient game named "Let's Kill Someone", OR join up with Diplomacy Universalis 1.5, we always need players, and it is extremly newbie friendly.5678 said:
Good. You will probably start as a sub, but be calm, if you stay in, you shall be a perm, since we are a little short of players. Or "sub" Daniel A has played more sessions then me, and I am a perm :wacko:5678 said:Well, I said I was interested in the Diplomacy thread.
Get ICQ. That is the main tool for communicating in eu2 MP. Then talk to some vets about how the game works out. That will make you established in their minds and they will remember you when someone is missing and they need a sub.5678 said:
Subbing is probably the best learning experience for a new player when it comes to tips on how to build your nation. As previously stated, talking to vets give you experience in the diplomatic field.
Practice makes you good at warfare.
5678 said:OK. I'll see how it goes. Thanks for the help.
Heya 5678,
Welcome to this little place
Please read this thread:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=127297
It covers more or less the basics. Especially important is to make sure you are being able to connect to a game. If you need to help that, feel free to ask me at ICQ. I gave you my number in the diplomacy universalis thread.
5678,
Who do we appreciate.
You need ICQ, as has been said. If you don't have it, get it. If you won't get it, well, bye. It's the standard here and it's usefulness can't be overstated. The volume of organization, back-biting, recruiting, sub-finding, bickering, rule and scenario discussion, game creation and diplomacy on ICQ is thousands of times greater than what you see on the boards.
After you get ICQ, you need these numbers on your buddy list:
273839083 (that's me)
202402373 (that's FAL, our lovely new moderator who's just a kid in EU II MP years and whom we all resent enormously for getting the job and ridicule behind his back but pretend to like to his face because he can edit our posts)
264661173 (that's Aladar, also a kid in EU II MP years who runs some novice and semi-novice games)
83278192 (that's Fred, like me a crusty old-timer but nice enough, provided you don't wake him up during his nap)
50674554 (that's the_genius; why this is his user name is unknown, but it cannot be MP related)
317899057 (that's HAL; he's Polish. You would never know it though)
294204319 (that's Caslu; he says he'll be my sub forever but he's always going out with the guys)
4193818 (that's Temujin; he lost his first ever war to me and ever since we have shared a bond that transcends all the times I've told him to go fuck himself in a tantrum that would shame a two year old)
147106898 (that's Cheech; he is from Scotland and he fixed my router. I will blow him any time, any place)
236-188-964 (that's Van Engel; I would write something witty about him but I honestly had no idea he was still playing)
That is a list of all the currently active GMs I know. There are a couple more I don't know, but as I don't know them I'm not comfortable recommending them or posting their ICQ numbers.
I would add all those people and contact them with your willingness to sub. It may be a little dry for a while, but GMs are always in need of subs and will often provide them with their younger sisters and six packs if they'll just spare an hour of their time.
Before you get started, I do suggest reading Jarkko's wonderful (and old-has it been that long? he doesn't even play anymore) MP guide and the various other guides it recommends. I also have here the Ten Most Important Things to Know About EU II MP If You Don't Want to Be Thought of As An Asshole (Or At Least Not For These Ten Things):
1. Do not select before the host. Not ever. Take the country you're assigned, or your own country if you're a perm*, after the host selects, particularly in your first game or you will be savagely ridiculed and probably told THE FIRST RULE OF SLARHOST, in those caps with exclamation points, despite the fact that Slarhost is long dead and Slargos himself is now a transsexual drunk.
2. NAP = Non-Aggression Pact. Most games allow you to break them, but don't. Don't even think it. Especially before you're established. This community feels about Non-Aggression Pacts the way Republicans feel about Ronald Reagan. If you violate him, they'll go crazy.
3. We are children. We may call ourselves adults and talk about our degrees and jobs and women and favorite whiskey label, but we're not adults. We are children. You must take what we say in the heat of anger (which is most of the time) as if you're talking to a five year old. This is nowhere more true than in talking to me. If you take it personally, we will collectively ostracize you from the community like you're the red headed kid with headgear who's never made out with Cindy Reynolds** in the tube slide.
4. We say "aye" and "indeed" a lot. We believe it makes us seem less like children if we talk like pirates sitting in parliament. You must do this too.
5. We give each other nicknames (again, much like children). I am HoG and it would be wise to beware of me. Slargos is Sluthost. Damocles is Damoclit. King John is "Oh God, please don't, please not again." Hive is something we're not allowed to call him anymore. Only the cool kids get nicknames like that. Everybody else is either shortened or has a "ster" added to his name. Falster, Davester, Fredster. You will inevitably be nicknamed Debbie. Wear it with pride.
6. "I quit" does not actually mean you quit. You need to submit a resignation in writing, initialed and bearing a seal from the notary public in your town, city, hamlet, yurt, whatever, three times, the final time in blood. Everybody "quits" at least once a week. It's a form of expression here. Like "hello" and "I have to go to the bathroom." The best way to actually quit is to say "This is a great game, you're all wonderful and I'm having the best time." If you say this, we will know for sure that you're done playing.
7. World Conqueror, WC, Hmmm, Mhhh and Babur may have different playstyles (all variations on "bad") but they are all the same dissociated German. Do not be fooled.
8. FFS means For Fuck Sake. This is a new addition to the community brought by Drake and has recently caused confusion. It is now rapidly going into wide use. If you use the term "FFS" you are an asshole.
9. A "ganging" is what you call any war you are currently losing. "Against the odds" is what you call any war you are currently winning.
10. Byng is the worst EU II MP player there has ever been. He cheats, hates Jews, insists on playing the Incas and is banned from this community. Do not ask about him. Do not play with him. Do not not even mention his name or BiB's secret police will...
Oh. God.
Tell the world my story, Debbie.
*This may sound obvious, but after you've spent some time on Vnet you'll see why I mention it. Also, the only insights I have involve glaringly obvious things everyone aready knows.
**Oh, that slut Cindy Reynolds. She'd french anybody.
Who do we appreciate.
You need ICQ, as has been said. If you don't have it, get it. If you won't get it, well, bye. It's the standard here and it's usefulness can't be overstated. The volume of organization, back-biting, recruiting, sub-finding, bickering, rule and scenario discussion, game creation and diplomacy on ICQ is thousands of times greater than what you see on the boards.
After you get ICQ, you need these numbers on your buddy list:
273839083 (that's me)
202402373 (that's FAL, our lovely new moderator who's just a kid in EU II MP years and whom we all resent enormously for getting the job and ridicule behind his back but pretend to like to his face because he can edit our posts)
264661173 (that's Aladar, also a kid in EU II MP years who runs some novice and semi-novice games)
83278192 (that's Fred, like me a crusty old-timer but nice enough, provided you don't wake him up during his nap)
50674554 (that's the_genius; why this is his user name is unknown, but it cannot be MP related)
317899057 (that's HAL; he's Polish. You would never know it though)
294204319 (that's Caslu; he says he'll be my sub forever but he's always going out with the guys)
4193818 (that's Temujin; he lost his first ever war to me and ever since we have shared a bond that transcends all the times I've told him to go fuck himself in a tantrum that would shame a two year old)
147106898 (that's Cheech; he is from Scotland and he fixed my router. I will blow him any time, any place)
236-188-964 (that's Van Engel; I would write something witty about him but I honestly had no idea he was still playing)
That is a list of all the currently active GMs I know. There are a couple more I don't know, but as I don't know them I'm not comfortable recommending them or posting their ICQ numbers.
I would add all those people and contact them with your willingness to sub. It may be a little dry for a while, but GMs are always in need of subs and will often provide them with their younger sisters and six packs if they'll just spare an hour of their time.
Before you get started, I do suggest reading Jarkko's wonderful (and old-has it been that long? he doesn't even play anymore) MP guide and the various other guides it recommends. I also have here the Ten Most Important Things to Know About EU II MP If You Don't Want to Be Thought of As An Asshole (Or At Least Not For These Ten Things):
1. Do not select before the host. Not ever. Take the country you're assigned, or your own country if you're a perm*, after the host selects, particularly in your first game or you will be savagely ridiculed and probably told THE FIRST RULE OF SLARHOST, in those caps with exclamation points, despite the fact that Slarhost is long dead and Slargos himself is now a transsexual drunk.
2. NAP = Non-Aggression Pact. Most games allow you to break them, but don't. Don't even think it. Especially before you're established. This community feels about Non-Aggression Pacts the way Republicans feel about Ronald Reagan. If you violate him, they'll go crazy.
3. We are children. We may call ourselves adults and talk about our degrees and jobs and women and favorite whiskey label, but we're not adults. We are children. You must take what we say in the heat of anger (which is most of the time) as if you're talking to a five year old. This is nowhere more true than in talking to me. If you take it personally, we will collectively ostracize you from the community like you're the red headed kid with headgear who's never made out with Cindy Reynolds** in the tube slide.
4. We say "aye" and "indeed" a lot. We believe it makes us seem less like children if we talk like pirates sitting in parliament. You must do this too.
5. We give each other nicknames (again, much like children). I am HoG and it would be wise to beware of me. Slargos is Sluthost. Damocles is Damoclit. King John is "Oh God, please don't, please not again." Hive is something we're not allowed to call him anymore. Only the cool kids get nicknames like that. Everybody else is either shortened or has a "ster" added to his name. Falster, Davester, Fredster. You will inevitably be nicknamed Debbie. Wear it with pride.
6. "I quit" does not actually mean you quit. You need to submit a resignation in writing, initialed and bearing a seal from the notary public in your town, city, hamlet, yurt, whatever, three times, the final time in blood. Everybody "quits" at least once a week. It's a form of expression here. Like "hello" and "I have to go to the bathroom." The best way to actually quit is to say "This is a great game, you're all wonderful and I'm having the best time." If you say this, we will know for sure that you're done playing.
7. World Conqueror, WC, Hmmm, Mhhh and Babur may have different playstyles (all variations on "bad") but they are all the same dissociated German. Do not be fooled.
8. FFS means For Fuck Sake. This is a new addition to the community brought by Drake and has recently caused confusion. It is now rapidly going into wide use. If you use the term "FFS" you are an asshole.
9. A "ganging" is what you call any war you are currently losing. "Against the odds" is what you call any war you are currently winning.
10. Byng is the worst EU II MP player there has ever been. He cheats, hates Jews, insists on playing the Incas and is banned from this community. Do not ask about him. Do not play with him. Do not not even mention his name or BiB's secret police will...
Oh. God.
Tell the world my story, Debbie.
*This may sound obvious, but after you've spent some time on Vnet you'll see why I mention it. Also, the only insights I have involve glaringly obvious things everyone aready knows.
**Oh, that slut Cindy Reynolds. She'd french anybody.
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HoG is in a sentimental mood, apparently.
But aye, Debbie, those are good ICQ's to add and it's indeed a wise idea to remember to rules HoG listed there.
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Interesting that Fred appears that much older than me by the way. It was me who explained to him how mass cannons worked after I invaded his France with it. And now you all seem to think that this snotnose is a crusty old-timer? *shakes head*
HolisticGod said:
I think i'll resist saying anything but thanks that you mention me as number 3
IndeedHolisticGod said:
... how do you know me so well? Welcome to the board 5678, as everyone said, get ICQ, add us and we will see how can you get started in this fascinating world...
And it gives me a good laugh every timeFAL said:
HoG is in a sentimental mood, apparently.
As i dont know what snotnose means i will consider it a negative wordFAL said:
I was a newbie for a long time, as i'm a rather slow learner
I created my current profile when i was ready to start playing MP seriusly,
and the old one was kinda hated because i caused some heavy debates with PE and others about rather sensitive stuff, like the Danish situation, so i was probably doomed to ever be invited to any MP games with that nick
5678,
You're welcome to join the sublist in Battlefront IV if you like.
Byng!Fredrik82 said:And it gives me a good laugh every time
As i dont know what snotnose means i will consider it a negative word
I was a newbie for a long time, as i'm a rather slow learner
I created my current profile when i was ready to start playing MP seriusly,
and the old one was kinda hated because i caused some heavy debates with PE and others about rather sensitive stuff, like the Danish situation, so i was probably doomed to ever be invited to any MP games with that nick
5678,
You're welcome to join the sublist in Battlefront IV if you like.
well ive never taken fredrik serious because he has a number at the end of his name. Now we have someone whos whole name is a number what ever next.
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