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even though Europa Universalis is based on "Europe" it would be cool if someone could make a korean shield and stuff. I mean, wouldn't Korea during the time of 1492-1792 be more of a vassal to China than part of China? Because I know korea payed china (Manchus) tribute. But we were an 'independent' country.

It would be cool though if someone could make a shield and stuff for Korea. Kind of like how someone added the Dai Viet. I mean, Korea would only have like 2 provinces (Seoul and Pusan) or something like that, but still.. it would be cool.

Will anyone do it? Who knows how to make shields and stuff. :D
 
Koryo is under consideration for IGC 2.3. We can add one more exotic nation... However, most people seem to prefer the Kazakhs right now.
 
cool! :)

although why would you add the "Koryo"? That dynasty ended before 1492.

The 'New' Choson is what you should actually add. It lasted from 1392 until the japanese annexed korea in 1910.

And what do the Kazakhs have to do with anything? Aren't they already a playable country? I'm confused on how that has anything to do with the topic.
 
Originally posted by Doomdark
Koryo is under consideration for IGC 2.3. We can add one more exotic nation... However, most people seem to prefer the Kazakhs right now.

I think Choson (Koryo is a bit more ancient) is far more appropriate to add. The Kazakhs would only affect Russian player being landlocked in siberia, while Korea would be a very important corrective in the far east. Korea is a far more valid independent state than quite a few included in the game.
 
Thanks for the support guys! :)

Let's RALLY to include Korea!!!!

Seriously though, maybe we should poll on this?

I think Korea would be an excellent choice. Guys, SUPPORT me on this. heh.
 
Yeah, but the graphics will be off, won't they? It's a muslim tag with big lances isn't it?
 
Originally posted by Cockney
Yeah great another country for China to buy :rolleyes:

I've been thinking about this problem quite a bit actuaslly asnd I think I have found a solution.

Dai Viet, Japan, Ayuthaya, and Korea should be almost impossible for China, or anybody else for that matter to hold if conquered or annexed. and the solution would be to create a permanent equivalence to the dutch revolt for these states.

Before anyone says anything about how this would be silly. I think that the histories of these non chinese e. asian states speaks for itself.

All were fully aware of the existence of an expansionist Chinese state for in some cases up to 2000 years at this point. All these states were masters of resisting this expansion and fouind very effective weays of dealing with it. Two of these states Korea and Dai Viet were at one point partially integrated in to the Chinese state, yet both of these states managed to recover independence and create strong centralized states which convinced the Chinese that they were two tough to interfere with.

During the Han dynasty Korea and Northern Vietnam were conquered and made part of the Chinese state, but after the fall of Han, both managed in rather impressive revolts to free themselves. The various Korean states so successfully that no other signifigant chinese attempt was made to conquer them and Chinese armies (the Mongols don't count here) only intervened in Korea at the behest of the Koreans. When the Japanese invaded in this time period (late 16th cent.) they were resisted in a massive war that thopugh won with Chinese assistance showed the entrenched "nationalism" of the Korean people nobles and commoners alike.

Vietnam is a slightly different case, and there the instititutionalization of "revolt" is on even surer footing. At the end of the Han, Vietnam established a pattern of revolting every time the chinese state weakened and was re pacified by armies sent south to restore order. This cycle of revolt and pacification was so pronounced that the traditional chinese name for Vietnam was An-nam (or pacified south) an optimistic notion if their ever was one. After about a millenia of this the Vietnamese revolted in the chaos at the end of the Tang dynasty (late 9th century) and this time the hard pressed Song dynasty was reluctant to be involved in such a losing propsition and accepted Vietnamese independence. In the 15th century their was a civil war in Vietnam and the then powerful and resurgent Ming dynasty made a serious attempt to intervene. Their goal seems to have been something less than the proposed military vassalization. But they quickly were driven out by the Vietnamese.

The point of all this is that the two surviving states on the Chinese periphery survived becasuse they were to tough to conquer and though in the case of Korea a symbiotic relationship similar to vassalization existed it was at the suifferance of the Koreans. Their were plenty of non chinese states bordering china that did not survive, Dali and the Xia in the medieval periodfor example, but those that did survive survived because they were not conquerable.
 
John, i'm not sure it's a good idea. Think of us, poor Europeans. Whom can we conquer then? And Chinese as well, they must have something to do. If you play with China, and can't conquer any of your neighbours, it really gets annoying. And then they couldn't conquer each other as well, and that makes it as annoying to play them.

Let's keep the Dutch a special case... otherwise you should put in Ukraine as well (Chmielnicki), French hugenots (not an event, nationalism) etc etc.

BiB, what religion then?
 
Well for one I think that their is a pretty nice chunk of the world left to conquer and if you are so interested in this, then china is moderately weakened so you can go conquer it...

As the game is right now, the East Asian states are effectively uinplayable anyway, with permanent terra incognita, the inabilitty to build improvements, etc... Korea might actually be more fun to play than china ever will be until the map issues are resolved