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Kind of weird that the one defining trait of mammals has no representation in the update that added in exclusive traits for all the phenotypes. (Give it to humanoids too: Star Trek teaches us everyone has boobs).

Lactation supposedly increases the rate of brain development in early life. So maybe leaders of that species start with bonus exp based on the food surplus of their home planet. Just spitballing.
 
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Dementor4 said:
Playing with a Genesis Groomers build, combining Xenocompatibility and Genesis Guides. So far I've created seven different hybrid species and not a single one has managed to pass on one of their presapient traits. It used to be that you could use Xenocompatibility to get presapient traits onto your main species, but that no longer appears to be a function. Am I just having bad luck? Nor do the hybrid subspecies of the uplifted species retain any of their presapient traits, instead just getting a random spattering of my main species' traits.

I've even bred hybrids between two different uplifted speceis, leaving my main species out of it. The result is a hybrid with no traits at all. I had thought that no matter what at least one trait was supposed to be pulled from each of the parent species to make the hybrid.

Did the devs put a hard lock on presapient traits getting passed on to hybrids?
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In case anyone needs context about OP.
 
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It will just have the same effect as egg laying and Nascant Stage: By creating a trait that should be a basic characteristic of an archetype, you're saying: Hey, species without egg laying don't lay eggs!
And then you look at all of the bird-portraits and realize they give birth to live cubs or whatever their offspring is named because you didn't pick egg-laying.
 
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I saw the headline and knew the username immediately.

On the one hand, adding this would be appropriate to match with Egg Laying. On the other hand, as someone said above, Egg Laying has really weird implications by being a trait you need to have.

Honestly, I'd rather they rename Egg Laying to remove the implication that all reptiles, birds, arthropods, mollusks and fish that don't have it don't lay eggs, but if they don't I suppose there's no reason they shouldn't add such a trait for mammals.
 
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I always assumed that all reptiles, birds, and arthropods were egg-laying, but in my headcanon, those species with the egg-laying trait just have much larger and more numerous eggs than most species. The same logic would be applied to those with the, huh, lactation trait.
 
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Ikael said:
I always assumed that all reptiles, birds, and arthropods were egg-laying, but in my headcanon, those species with the egg-laying trait just have much larger and more numerous eggs than most species. The same logic would be applied to those with the, huh, lactation trait.
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Jokes aside, that's my headcanon too.

It's the same idea as the shelled trait: you can have a species that's shelled without the shelled trait. The shelled trait just means the shells are impactful on a societal level.
 
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Ikael said:
I always assumed that all reptiles, birds, and arthropods were egg-laying, but in my headcanon, those species with the egg-laying trait just have much larger and more numerous eggs than most species. The same logic would be applied to those with the, huh, lactation trait.
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That's basically my go to for a lot of the new traits. Like nascent stage I just assume is for species that have an unusually long period of very early childhood*. Otherwise the implication is any species without that trait develops to adulthood in negligible time, including humans.

*For sci-fi inspiration, in Scalzi's Old Man's War series there's a species whose young have to be left feral for years to develop, and only obtain sentience by working through that.
 
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I will just say that this post is a lot less cursed than I expected it would be when I saw the username of the OP
 
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Calvax said:
Tbf that ship already sailed in stellaris since you feed livestock pops and can produce more food out of that.
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We have to draw the line somewhere, and if it's not cannibalism* then it should be here? I guess? ‍

I at least want the poster to know the energy doesn't come from nowhere.

*For the purpose of this comment, I'm defining cannibalism as one sapient eating another sapient, regardless of species.
 
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Oh, let's give it a try!

Lactation [1]

+0.1 passive amenity and food generation if pop has over 50% happiness -> Because happy cows do produce better milk
+50% livestock job efficiency -> Due to reasons

"The milk of this mammal is particularly copious and nutritious, helping the development of its infants as well as aiding their sick."

Lactation [2]

+1% habitability per 0.1 excess food surplus per capita in the colony (up to +10%) -> The "helping constitution development" part of the trait
+1% research job efficiency per 1 excess food surplus per capita in the colony (up to +10%) -> The "helping cognition development" part of the trait

"The milk of this mammal is particularly copious and nutritious, helping the development of its infant's cognition and constitution well into adulthood."

Well, this is, hum, interesting (and fun as heck).
 
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That's basically my go to for a lot of the new traits. Like nascent stage I just assume is for species that have an unusually long period of very early childhood*. Otherwise the implication is any species without that trait develops to adulthood in negligible time, including humans.

*For sci-fi inspiration, in Scalzi's Old Man's War series there's a species whose young have to be left feral for years to develop, and only obtain sentience by working through that.
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I mean, humans progress towards adulthood starting from day 1. Infants learn a ton of stuff and learn more all the time. They're basically just little humans by the time they're 2. Yeah they don't go out and get jobs and stuff for a long time, but they're working up to it, developing intellectually the whole time, but I don't think that's what this trait is about. I see it as being way more severe, something like cicadas which have a prolonged larval stage that goes on for years and years. A nascent stage species wouldn't even START learning language and culture until the five year mark, spending the time before that doing nothing but eating and growing.
 
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