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My question is: Is it possible in the game for the Mongols to become Christan instead of Islamic, and what could this lead to?

The Debate: Could this have happened, and if it did, do you think Western princesess would have married Mongol Kings?

And finally would the Mongols have been Orthodox, Armenian, or Catholic?
 
Originally posted by Havard
I'd guess they could have embraced Nestorianism. IIRC there were known Nestorians amongst them...

Some in rather high places, inculding several of the chief wives of several of the Khans.

As far as I can tell from the stuff I have here at hand, the Ilkhanate adopted Islam around 1300 and the Golden Horde around 1360 or so...
 
somnething i found:

http://www.ucalgary.ca/applied_history/tutor/islam/mongols/intro.html

Seems like it was a case of some subjects being islamic and the need to adapt, this became then a domino effect between the hordes.

Just reading about Berke and hulegu, berke golden horde, hulegu ilkathan horde. Berke was muslim, but hulegu buddist/shamanist, and after hulegus destruction of bagdad, berke became his enemy.... so far as to ordering troops he had sent to defect to mamluks, thus allowing mamluks to win :)
 
I'm just writing to agree with other posters.

Nestorian Christians were the type most commonly associated with the Mongols.

Sufi missionaries worked in western and central Asia from the mid-seventh century on, and the Turks in particular embraced Islam early on.

But the mass of the Mongols were exposed to Islam during and following the campaigns of Genghis Khan in the 13th century.

The Il-Khan Mahmud Ghazan (and much of his court) converted to Islam in 1295.

The eastern Mongols, and Mongolia proper, were more heavily influenced by Tibetan Buddhism in the 13th and 14th centuries.
 
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I've read somewhere, that one or maybe several mongol leaders were interested in Christianity, and tried to get contact with the Pope especially, and wanted him to send them priests to teach them about Christianity. But the christian leaders weren't much interested after what I've understood... Silly Pope!:D
 
Originally posted by Nikolai
I've read somewhere, that one or maybe several mongol leaders were interested in Christianity, and tried to get contact with the Pope especially, and wanted him to send them priests to teach them about Christianity. But the christian leaders weren't much interested after what I've understood... Silly Pope!:D
Yea, it is. If you have people that worship the same religion as you, then you might have more control over them.
 
Originally posted by Jinnai
Yea, it is. If you have people that worship the same religion as you, then you might have more control over them.
Especially if you are the head of your religion ;)

OTOH, the Mongols were maybe more likely to choose the majority religion of their subjects anyway.
I think Mongol rulers in general tended to have a more "adaptive" view regarding religion, versus European and Islamic rulers who were always more concerned with converting their subjects to their faith rather than vice versa.
 
Nikolai,

Khubilai Khan was supposed to have asked Marco Polo's father and uncle to bring him 100 wise men to debate Christian teachings.

So I guess, if 100 wise Italians had shown up in Cathay, historycaesar would have his Catholic Mongol Empire.

Although Khubilai remained a shamanist, and supported Lamaism, and also employed Persians and Chinese Confucianists.
 
Originally posted by P.Q. Varus
Nikolai,

Khubilai Khan was supposed to have asked Marco Polo's father and uncle to bring him 100 wise men to debate Christian teachings.

So I guess, if 100 wise Italians had shown up in Cathay, historycaesar would have his Catholic Mongol Empire.

Although Khubilai remained a shamanist, and supported Lamaism, and also employed Persians and Chinese Confucianists.

Trouble was, they couldn't find 100 wise Italians!!:D

(Just kidding.)
 
Originally posted by P.Q. Varus
Nikolai,

Khubilai Khan was supposed to have asked Marco Polo's father and uncle to bring him 100 wise men to debate Christian teachings.

So I guess, if 100 wise Italians had shown up in Cathay, historycaesar would have his Catholic Mongol Empire.
If 100 Christians had been enough for that, he would have been Christian when the Polos arrived (Christianism arrived in China at latest in 635 AD...). ;)


Although Khubilai remained a shamanist, and supported Lamaism, and also employed Persians and Chinese Confucianists.
A true opportunist, like his later colleagues :D
 
Originally posted by Havard
If 100 Christians had been enough for that, he would have been Christian when the Polos arrived (Christianism arrived in China at latest in 635 AD...). ;)

..........

Maybe by the time the Mongols came to power those Christians of 635 A.D. might have been dead.:D
 
Originally posted by Sonny
Maybe by the time the Mongols came to power those Christians of 635 A.D. might have been dead.:D
I said Christianism... the actual people would be long dead, but Christianism lived on in China and surrounding areas until 845 A.D. when they got trouble in China but survived in parts of Mongolia. When the Yuan (Mongol) dynasty arrived in China ~1270 they also brought with them Nestorian Christian Mongols...
 
the mongol horde under the khans after and including temujin were a superior military army, but i think in the game they will act sort of like a flood or major fire in sim city. cant do anything to prevent them from coming and once they arrive god be with you! ;)

meaning, the interaction with the mongols will be limited if any. somewhere along the lines: pay us 9999999 ducats or get obliterated. especially if you play the less fortified realms of eastern europe.
 
I didn't find the books I talked about, however, I've found some quotes from the Internet:

Contrary to popular belief, the arrival of the Arab Islamic armies in Persia and Central Asia did not lead to the eradication of Christianity. Mingana records that as late as the eleventh century, the Metropolitan of Merv reported "two hundred thousand Turks and Mongols had embraced Christianity," including the entire Kerait people group. Nor was Christianity exterminated by the Mongol conquests of the 13th century, as is sometimes claimed. Christianity, in fact, was alive and well during the Mongol period. Uighur and other Turco-Mongolian tribes took part in the Mongol conquests, travelling to war accompanied by Nestorian priests and mobile chapels mounted on carts. Two of Gengiz Khan's sons had Christian wives. Hulugu, founder of the Ilkhamid Empire, is reported to have even considered baptism. Under Hulugu, Christianity experienced a short renaissance, for his queen, Dokuz, was a zealous believer.

When Marco Polo and other Papal emissaries arrived at the Mongol court in the 13th century, they were astonished to find multi-ethnic groups of Christians, including among the Mongolians, Uighurs, Naimans, Keraits and Merkites. The death blow to Nestorian Christianity in Central Asia was delivered by Timur (Tamarlane) in the 14th century. He rigorously persecuted the church, destroyed most of their buildings, and either forcibly converted the population to his particular brand of Islam--a mixture of Sufi and Shamanistic mysticism--or exterminated the indigenous communities along with hundreds of thousands of other peoples who stood in the way of his ambition of world conquest.

As you can see, there is a little possibility that a khan could have converted, however, I'd guess it's small.;) BTW, the source.:)

Oh, I at last found something that confirms my memory, however it's a bit short:

The Mongol Era brought about the first instances of direct contact between Europe and Mongol-ruled China.

The Mongol attacks on Hungary and Poland in 1241 had alerted the Europeans to the power of the Mongols and so frightened them that, in 1245, the Pope in Rome called an Ecumenical Council to deliberate on a response to the Mongols. Two Franciscan missionaries were eventually dispatched to the East.

The first, who left Europe in 1245, was John of Plano Carpini, and the second was William of Rubruck, who traveled through the Mongol domains during 1253-1255. Both sought to achieve a kind of rapprochement with the Mongols, attempting to deter them from further attacks and invasions on Europe, as well as seeking to convert them to Christianity.

The Europeans had received information that the Mongols had a leader, named "Prester John," who had converted to Christianity. They also assumed that many of the Mongols already were Christians. In fact, some Mongol women, including Genghis Khan's own mother, had converted to a heretical form of Christianity known as Nestorian Christianity. The Nestorian sect had been banned from Europe from around the 5th Century C.E., but had first spread to West Asia and then reached all the way to East Asia. But the idea that the Mongols could be converted to Christianity was an illusion at best.

Nonetheless, John of Plano Carpini and William of Rubruck were greeted cordially at the Mongol courts. Though they succeeded in neither their religious nor diplomatic missions, they were able to bring back the first accurate accounts of the Mongols.

The source.
 
Originally posted by Sonny
Maybe by the time the Mongols came to power those Christians of 635 A.D. might have been dead.:D

I've heard stories about how christians keep on being resurrected from the dead... Zombies?
 
Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80
I've heard stories about how christians keep on being resurrected from the dead... Zombies?

I think only two know cases of that happening.:D
 
Who knows it?!:D If this leaks out, there will be massive uproar world wide!:eek:
 
Originally posted by P.Q. Varus
Nikolai,

Khubilai Khan was supposed to have asked Marco Polo's father and uncle to bring him 100 wise men to debate Christian teachings.

I seem to remember that Marco Polo had 2 Catholic priests in his entourage. they were provided by the Pope to convert the mongols. The two priests ran away somewhere in turkey.