Why doesn't this game add numbers after names? IE Henry II etc.
Is it possible to change this?
Is it possible to change this?
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Yes. Open your saved game and find the characters you want to add numerals to, and that's really all you need to do. As for why the game doesn't do it on its own, I'm not sure. It'd certainly be helpful.
Old engine, limited resources would be my guess...like everything else in the original, the outsourced job was wholly inadequate. AFAIK, EU:III has the numerals added to monarchs so it is a possibility that it will be included in our (hopeful) CK2 
~Hawk
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Also in EUIII names are tied to the tags of countries, in CK names are culture-based, while you play a country/dynastie. And your rulers culture can change.
So getting numericals is a bit more complicated in CK then in EUIII, f.e. suppose you first have a French king of France named Henri, then a German cultured one named Heinrich and then a Italian one named Enrico. How should the game handle this ?
Henri I
Heinrich I
Enrico I
or
Henri I
Heinrich II
Enrico III
So getting numericals is a bit more complicated in CK then in EUIII, f.e. suppose you first have a French king of France named Henri, then a German cultured one named Heinrich and then a Italian one named Enrico. How should the game handle this ?
Henri I
Heinrich I
Enrico I
or
Henri I
Heinrich II
Enrico III
If we use a Kingdom that historically had these basic occurrences (England and especially Great Britain is the closest I can think of), I'd say the latter. The point on the old engine is something I should've remembered however.
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@ Veldmaarschalk
I take Popes as example. When they get elected they choose a name. Benedictus XVI is the Pope at this moment. In 1914 - 1922 there was Benedictus XV, that means that only when you get a name that is already used before you you get a number after you name.
Henri I
Heinrich I
Enrico I
I take Popes as example. When they get elected they choose a name. Benedictus XVI is the Pope at this moment. In 1914 - 1922 there was Benedictus XV, that means that only when you get a name that is already used before you you get a number after you name.
Henri I
Heinrich I
Enrico I
@ Veldmaarschalk
I take Popes as example. When they get elected they choose a name. Benedictus XVI is the Pope at this moment. In 1914 - 1922 there was Benedictus XV, that means that only when you get a name that is already used before you you get a number after you name.
Henri I
Heinrich I
Enrico I
But Henri, Heinrich and Enrico are the same names, just in different languages. If you would write all their names in English they all would be called Henry
Well let's use something simple such as:
Enrico I aka Heinrich III aka Henry II
:rofl:
Enrico I aka Heinrich III aka Henry II
:rofl:
No, if it is going to be done, it must be done right. Whenever a new culture Monarch took over, he didn't just start over, he continued. If Henry III was an English monarch and his successor is the son of his daughter and a German Aristocrat, he would not be Heinrich I, but Heinrich IV.
For the Henri, Heinrich, Enrico scenario; while there could be an issue if you want to role play these rulers in their individual cultures, naming them historically should not be a problem.
The rulers' name is usually recorded as in the same language as the country in which they ruled. i.e. if the dynasty ruled england it would not be Henri I, Heinrich II, Enrico III, instead it would be Henry I,Henry II, Henry III. Quite often a ruler would change his/her name to tie it in with the country's culture that they rule, or get scholars to use the local varient of their name in official matters. I think that CK should record it as thus too.
Perhaps a more pragmatic solution would be to have the offical title as, e.g. Henry III, King of England, but on the character dynasty screen it would still be Enrico Plantagenet, etc.
I am not sure how paradox or the previous developers of CK got their historical info, but they should decide early on whether or not to record each name varient in each respective language, or to record them all from the viewpoint of one language (probs english, ....or swedish?).
The rulers' name is usually recorded as in the same language as the country in which they ruled. i.e. if the dynasty ruled england it would not be Henri I, Heinrich II, Enrico III, instead it would be Henry I,Henry II, Henry III. Quite often a ruler would change his/her name to tie it in with the country's culture that they rule, or get scholars to use the local varient of their name in official matters. I think that CK should record it as thus too.
Perhaps a more pragmatic solution would be to have the offical title as, e.g. Henry III, King of England, but on the character dynasty screen it would still be Enrico Plantagenet, etc.
I am not sure how paradox or the previous developers of CK got their historical info, but they should decide early on whether or not to record each name varient in each respective language, or to record them all from the viewpoint of one language (probs english, ....or swedish?).
Get translations for all the names, link them. Something like
So the engine will keep track of the numbers. This is not complicated but it requires work to write a txt with these name groups and I don't know if they will do this work just for the detail (although I like it and find it to be an interesting detail in a dynasty game). Because monarch names were almost always translated in reality.
Code:
henry_group = {
Enrico
Heinrich
Henry
}So the engine will keep track of the numbers. This is not complicated but it requires work to write a txt with these name groups and I don't know if they will do this work just for the detail (although I like it and find it to be an interesting detail in a dynasty game). Because monarch names were almost always translated in reality.
I definitely agree with this. There should be some way for Realm Culture to play into the naming convention.
While this could work, it's rather complicated.
Also, people should keep in mind that numbering monarchs is actually anachronism. In the vast majority of cases, they were added by the later historians, and not without controversy (see the numerals of Polish rulers, which are pretty much FUBAR, or the English one "reseting" after the Norman conquest)
And don't forget, you can have multiple king titles, ie James I of England/James VI of Scotland.
It works fine in EU3 cause you're England and only England.
It works fine in EU3 cause you're England and only England.
You're talking of a time where numerals were never regularly used until the XIVth Century. Except some exceptions, like Frederic II of Sicily , who called himself Federicus Tertius (the Third) because he was thinking on Friedrich II of the HRE (I of Sicily) being actually the second king of Sicily to bear this name.
Also, Peter IV of Aragon called himself Pere Terç, Peter the Third, because he considered that Peter I of Aragon, a king previous to the union between Aragon and Barcelona, didn't count.
Although handy for the player, numerals were not common, and of course never regular.
Didn't they use the numeral as just another title, in some cultures? Like "WE, semper augustus, Louis the Fourth...." I guess its got to impress somebody, right?
Of course, I've been looking at some Medieval Genealogies lately, and its a confusing sea of "Etienne, Son of Eustace, Son of Etienne, Son of Etienne, son of Tibold, son of Tibold, Son of Tibold"
What about Kings of England and Scotland, for example James II of England was also at the same time James VII of Scotland!
If you have two or titles in game things will get really confusing if they've had rulers with the same name before!
If you have two or titles in game things will get really confusing if they've had rulers with the same name before!
To be honest, this doesn't bother me much. what I would love though is the option to pick your heir(s)'s name(s). According to culture ofcourse, more like a list.