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As Russia, I tried to invade Sweden, intending to take enough to gain three provinces.

My first problem was in Karelia. My occupying army would stay for a while but not show the cannon icon and besiege the city. Then it would march out under a white flag without having been attacked by anybody. I would try to march another army in from Onega, but sometimes it just painted a red X, so I had to move it to Ingermanland and then invade. Why?

It didn't take long to deplete Sweden's manpower, so it couldn't raise more than 3-man armies. However, these three could rout my 15-20 man armies and send them into retreat. We both have land tech of 7 and I had my military pay slider at 100%. They even routed my general with 4-3-3 stats. How?

I eventually had to accept their offer of a single province, but that's no way to accomplish my goals.
 
Laying siege to a province requires a certain size army - at least as big as the garrison in the fort you are attacking. As attrition wipes out your forces (and in northern Europe, the winters will kill a lot) they will either guard the fort (no cannon, but they'll stand there) or they will pull out (the morale gets too low and they can't sustain the siege).

The red x you see means a) that the force is insufficient to guard the fort. Make the army bigger. b) there is no route there, try an alternate one.

A retreating army has very low morale and can get easily beaten by even token forces. It takes months before the morale will increase.

Your best bet as Russia is to churn out lots of infantry (very cheap for Russia) and assault the forts instead of waiting out a siege. Your supply level is weak in foreign land and winter will kill more than the assaults on the walls will.

Porcius
 
Originally posted by dime
My first problem was in Karelia. My occupying army would stay for a while but not show the cannon icon and besiege the city. Then it would march out under a white flag without having been attacked by anybody. I would try to march another army in from Onega, but sometimes it just painted a red X, so I had to move it to Ingermanland and then invade. Why?
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I would suggest you take a peak at my FAQ, especially the part about minimum forces in enemy controlled provinces ...

It didn't take long to deplete Sweden's manpower, so it couldn't raise more than 3-man armies. However, these three could rout my 15-20 man armies and send them into retreat. We both have land tech of 7 and I had my military pay slider at 100%. They even routed my general with 4-3-3 stats. How?

Take a peak at how combat works and the sticky thread in the FAQ Forum too while your at it.
 
Honestly, if you want to take out Sweden then do it early in the game.
You will have an alliance with Denmark. Usually Sweden dont have any alliance early in the game and their brilliant generals will not be available until mid 1500.

I usually declare war in November when Sweden is without an alliance or in a weak one and I have some good leaders, clear my first frontline provinces of troops (they are fortified though), but have a large army without artillery ready to attack sieging swedish troops if the siege looks to be succesfull before March.
Then in March I attack with 3 to 5 armies of 30.000, simutaniously. When playing as Denmark using this strategy the swedish armies will have concentrated on Russian, and vice versa when playing as Russia.
This strategy will give you 3-5 swedish provinces, and you can now either try to get 3 provinces in a peacetreaty or go for fully annexation. The annexation will only be possible if your partner in the alliance also has taken several provinces.

The main thing anyway is that if you have to settle with three provinces the first time you just prepare the next attack and annex Sweden the second time around.
If you wait for too long the Swedes will become stronger and then remain a danger.
Furthermore if annexed the provices taken by Denmark will have very few rebel uprisings, a bit more if taken by Russia.
 
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