So maybe there is some new tech that one can achieve to produce more heirs; a Viagara tech?
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Henry VIII was slated for the church until his older brother died. A bit past the CK period but close enough.
While on the subject of education, what about universities? Obviously there weren't any at the start, but the university emerged as an institution during the CK period. Later on sending a prince to France or Italy to be schooled should be an option (or if you chartered your own university you could keep him closer to home). It would probably have the same areas as Church schooling would, since the Universities were more tied to the church then, but more effective. I.E., instead of adding one to diplomacy it adds two.
Regarding military training, it seems from Havards post there are two different ways to do it. Giving Jr. a fief means he would have to keep some forces and give him a bit of experience, and much more so if you call them to service. Or, you could place an Unfiefed heir in charge of an army, greatly expanding both the odds of an untimely death and the rate of improvement in his military skills (and perhaps decrease the loyalty of some senior nobles in the force who resent being commanded by an incompetant brat?). Can you combine the two?
For Example, I'm playing an English dynasty. I give my heir to the throne the title 'Prince of Wales' and an appropriate fief, of course. Then war breaks out with France and the Scots take advantage and attack. Can I put the Prince of wales in charge of my northern army while daddy goes and stomps frogs? And if so, will he continue to 'develop' in the non-military areas covered by 'Fief' education?
Also, I can't believe this hasn't been mentioned before, but if a likely heir seems particularly hopeless, send him on Crusade! If he comes back alive, maybe he'll have been whipped into shape. And if he dies shrieking like a woman and soiling his armor, his less incompetant siblings are around to take up the throne.
Regarding military training, it seems from Havards post there are two different ways to do it. Giving Jr. a fief means he would have to keep some forces and give him a bit of experience, and much more so if you call them to service. Or, you could place an Unfiefed heir in charge of an army, greatly expanding both the odds of an untimely death and the rate of improvement in his military skills (and perhaps decrease the loyalty of some senior nobles in the force who resent being commanded by an incompetant brat?). Can you combine the two?
For Example, I'm playing an English dynasty. I give my heir to the throne the title 'Prince of Wales' and an appropriate fief, of course. Then war breaks out with France and the Scots take advantage and attack. Can I put the Prince of wales in charge of my northern army while daddy goes and stomps frogs? And if so, will he continue to 'develop' in the non-military areas covered by 'Fief' education?
Also, I can't believe this hasn't been mentioned before, but if a likely heir seems particularly hopeless, send him on Crusade! If he comes back alive, maybe he'll have been whipped into shape. And if he dies shrieking like a woman and soiling his armor, his less incompetant siblings are around to take up the throne.
Then its obvious she moaned him to death
'Louis, have you done the dishes? Thers no milk in my tea! Stop playing with that! I don't know why on earth I married a frenchman, mummy was right about you!'
Actually, that was only during the York and Tudor periods, after the Earldom of March had been inherited by the crown. As far as I can tell, this was only the case for the future Edward V, Prince Arthur, and the future Mary I; it was the also the case for the future Edward IV, who was actually titled Earl of March, but his father was only the Duke of York and of course not quite king at the time. Henry VIII ended this practice after the birth of the future Edward VI; he didn't dare let his precious and lnog-awaited son get too far away, and since it would be over a half a century before an English monarch (James I) would have a child heir, the whole idea had been dropped and probably forgotten. As for previous heirs after the Welsh conquest, three (the future Edward III, Richard II, and Hnery VI) were already king before this sort of training would normally start, Edward the Black Prince was mainly trained in Aquitaine, the future Henry V was usually busy at his father's side, and Richard III's son died too young...
My question was how heirs should be educated. is it smarter to try to specialize your best in one area or a few areas, or try to be 'jack of all trades'.
I wonder if inbreeding will be a factor.
I wonder if inbreeding will be a factor.
Maybe I'm far off but I don't see education being as detailed as many of the posts above. My guess would be that there are only 2 paths to take - military and clerical. Possibly a third would be diplomatic, but that would be a stretch.
I doubt it would be that simple. I mean, there is administrative also. So imo the minimum would be:Originally posted by Sonny
Maybe I'm far off but I don't see education being as detailed as many of the posts above. My guess would be that there are only 2 paths to take - military and clerical. Possibly a third would be diplomatic, but that would be a stretch.
Military
Clerical
Diplomatic
Administrative
clerical is important - in this way if assassin stabs him he can cast 'cure light wounds'
Just so Demetrios doesn't slap me downD) - Sonny I hope it isnt too complex but just a bit complex. It shouldnt be 100% player controlled since that could lead to players making super monarchs every generation.
Just so Demetrios doesn't slap me down
D) - Sonny I hope it isnt too complex but just a bit complex. It shouldnt be 100% player controlled since that could lead to players making super monarchs every generation. 
Yeah, however I think they should be more "profession-based" rather than just clearly-cut like that.
You will probably appoint tutors to your heir (I hope so at least).
Your heir will get a different education depending whether he serves as a squire to some great knight, goes into the Church or stays at the court and spends his time on courtly and not-so-courtly past-times. Depending on all, he would get different modifiers (bonuses or maluses) for piety, administration, warfare and diplomacy.
You will probably appoint tutors to your heir (I hope so at least).
Your heir will get a different education depending whether he serves as a squire to some great knight, goes into the Church or stays at the court and spends his time on courtly and not-so-courtly past-times. Depending on all, he would get different modifiers (bonuses or maluses) for piety, administration, warfare and diplomacy.
Exactly. You should not have a total control on education - more like a choice of general path he follows. (it can also mean that if a heir is totally unsuited for some path, he may gain very little - e.g. a physically weak heir becoming a squire or a moron going into the church).Originally posted by Jaron
clerical is important - in this way if assassin stabs him he can cast 'cure light wounds'
Just so Demetrios doesn't slap me down
Some dynasty members you might just snap your fingers and say "Damn! how to get rid of him?"
but then when your others are killed in a battle and suddenly your lands are up for grabs you regret it.
"The weakest monarch is strongest when his blood runs hot."
but then when your others are killed in a battle and suddenly your lands are up for grabs you regret it.
"The weakest monarch is strongest when his blood runs hot."
Well being tutored in one area, even if you can switch midway or whatnot will cause other stats not to rise (or even fall), so they best overall you could get is a JOAT.Originally posted by Jaron
Just so Demetrios doesn't slap me down
But for most of the game (or at leats a large part of it) the administrative was clerical.
Originally posted by Jaron
clerical is important - in this way if assassin stabs him he can cast 'cure light wounds'
Just so Demetrios doesn't slap me down
LOL - how long does he have to train to cure serious wounds?
As far as making super monarchs, my guess would be that much of their traits will be inherited. So schooling will help but won't make a weakling into a super-monarch.
Depends on what part your talking about. Plus clerical doesn't really prioritize administrative area. Besides, part of the era also deals with the rebirth of the classical arts, but we aren't grouping those under clerical, just because part of it was.Originally posted by Sonny
But for most of the game (or at leats a large part of it) the administrative was clerical.
Classical arts has nothing to do with military or administrative or clerical training.
True, for the first two although the church in many cases took some of the earlier ideas into their domain so it would become part of clerical training in your 3-choice example.Originally posted by Sonny
Classical arts has nothing to do with military or administrative or clerical training.
I wonder though if a bad "diplomacy" training or stat will result in not finding very good brides for your heirs and losing that rich tract of farming thats been yours since the days of the Carolingians will be lost to Habsburgs.
I wonder if it is a choice between keeping the child at court or sending him out to be fostered or as a hostage.
It would be good if personal friendships were important. If you don't keep your eye on him he might fall in love with the wrong girl, or bring all his wierd "modern" friends into government with him when you pop your clogs.
It would be good if personal friendships were important. If you don't keep your eye on him he might fall in love with the wrong girl, or bring all his wierd "modern" friends into government with him when you pop your clogs.