Questions on the Converter

[CCR_of_the_Code]

Let us say that in 1071, about 5 years into the game, Byzantium scores a desicsev victory against the Fatmid Caliphate, and later seizes Baghdad, Tunis and Cordoba, props the Khaabal in the Marmara and converts Kublia Khan to the Orthodox faith.
Would Mali and other recently converted states still be Islamic? Or would that be to complex?

 

[crazy canuck]

Originally posted by CCR_of_the_Code
Let us say that in 1071, about 5 years into the game, Byzantium scores a desicsev victory against the Fatmid Caliphate, and later seizes Baghdad, Tunis and Cordoba, props the Khaabal in the Marmara and converts Kublia Khan to the Orthodox faith.
Would Mali and other recently converted states still be Islamic? Or would that be to complex?

Now that is a good question. It nicely illustrates the problem of converting from the CK map to a world map. I suppose the working assumption would have to be Islam would spread beyond the map as usual the alternative would seem to be too hard to program given all the possibilities of alternative histories that could be produced.

 

[unmerged(2456)]

No what i want answered, in reguard to the converter, is if mongolian hordes conquered all of germany and the surrounding area, would there be an HRE? A much more united Germany (even after a revolt from the mongol overlords), a more united italy, orthodox insteal of RC throughout northern europe? And how would it have impacted the reformation?

These are things within the map area that it could directly affect.

 

[unmerged(16323)]

I guess it's the old-time question of EU... should the historical events trigger even if the things that caused them in history didn't happen...

I guess that everythign can't be made dynamic.. so omething must be left as it was in history.

 

[Doomfarer]

Originally posted by Neuro
I guess it's the old-time question of EU... should the historical events trigger even if the things that caused them in history didn't happen...

I guess that everythign can't be made dynamic.. so omething must be left as it was in history.

As long as the historical events doesn't trigger every time I'm happy. I want some added randomization as well.

 

[Alexandru H.]

A converter also means that our conquests will be minimal...which is good, in a way and bad, in another. If the game has real depth, it will be a winner...if not, I dunno....

 

[Winkelried]

Originally posted by Alexandru H.
A converter also means that our conquests will be minimal...which is good, in a way and bad, in another. If the game has real depth, it will be a winner...if not, I dunno....

I too hope that the game will have much depth without the limited wars that are possible, or playing it will be as interesting as playing EU as non-colonizing minor surrounded by major powers. I know there are guys who can conquer the world starting that way but I wouldn't like it very much.

 

[Galleblære]

Good question! Maybe the converter could check the religion of North Africa, and if it is non-islamic, then all of Africa is non-islamic. Mali could then be pagan or othodox I guess.

Also, I would hope that the converter can change the culture of affected provinces! If the mongols managed managed to penetrate deeper into Europe, the cultures here would probably change. Or maybe a german nation expands into the Poland/balkans, and the culture there is changed.

 

[unmerged(2456)]

Well i atleast think it should check if german lands are controlled by Mongol hordes (or by some fluke islamic nations) and if so those territories start out as non-HRE, perhaps having no HRE at all.

 

[Araanor]

Some things simply won't happen. HRE is hard-coded into EU2, all lands might get occupied, but it will still exist. It would be to complicated to let the conversion affect the lands outside the CK map...

 

[CCR_of_the_Code]

I disagree.
A simple Exist=x Islamic nation could determin the religion of the outside world.
I would frankly just get angry if my millions spent on Converting Timur to the Orthodox church would be useless outside of Baghdad

 

[Idiotboy]

Well this is nice speculation. Can anyone direct me to a definite answer on the engines flexibility?

 

[unmerged(2456)]

Originally posted by Araanor
Some things simply won't happen. HRE is hard-coded into EU2, all lands might get occupied, but it will still exist. It would be to complicated to let the conversion affect the lands outside the CK map...

Not really.

HRE is also set up to 'compress' itself when certain countries (not on the HRE list) conquer HRE lands, so that wouldn't be too hard imo.

 

[Araanor]

?

HRE is still in whoever conquers the lands. An emperor will always be elected. Changing this would mean ripping up major code in EU2. It won't happen.

 

[CCR_of_the_Code]

Actually, it is still realistic for Emporers to still be elected if Germany is lost- there would just be no land to rule.
Purely an honorary title.

 

[Galleblære]

Agreed. I so no need to drop the entire converter idea just because of the HRE. And since the game isn't really about massive conquest sprees, my guess is that, more often than not, the HRE will more or less be historical when you get to EU2!