Hey all,
Something is rotten in the state of Scotland (or the primo mechanic)...
I just started to make a small mod to better play out the Scottish First War of Independence (you know. where the likes of William Wallace, Edward I and Robert the Bruce rocked). Its starting date is the day King Alexander III dies and Margaret the Maid of Norway, his three year old non-dynastic granddaughter, takes over. Her death, at the age of seven and with no clear heir, starts the whole business where John Baliliol and grandpa The Bruce (along with a dozen others) vie for the throne, which Edward I of England is asked to settle ending in all out 30+ year war.
Now the base game doesn't do this era justice. Given I just studied the whole affair the last two days (30 years and 17 counties of a game spanning numerous centuries and empires), it can't blame the devs for not getting this succession haywire completely right. However, when I'm trying to set it straight editing the character history, I run into strange stuff.
So, I took this screeshot form the perspective of the mother of Margaret, conveniently also called Margaret. The succession law is Agnatic-Cognatic primo. On the right of both Margarets you see one of the more importants claimants Robert (grandpa The Bruce), son of Isabel, daughter of David. Next to Robert is Dervorguilla, the mother of John Balliol, the other major claimant. However, funnily enough, to the left of the Margarets is Patrick (of Dunbar), son of the Dunkeld bastard Ada, whose son is the primo succession heir in the game. This is weird since Ada is a non-legitimized bastard daughter of king William. Next in line, after the sons of Patrick, are the descendants of another, this time non-Dunkeld, bastard daughter of King William, Ela.
So first a couple of questions. Why do the bastard children take precedence over the non-bastards? Doesn't the mechanic recognize they are bastards? And wy are the children of Ada favoured over Ela? Ela is older, so her kids should come first. Is it because she isn't a Dunkeld and Ada is? And why is it, that even if I kill off all the descendants of Ela and Ada, six in total, the succession flips to the vassals, not taking into account Robert or John? I remember reading somewhere that primo doesn't go back for more than four generations. Is that true? Could that also be why bastards are considered at all?
So I tried to fix this by editing the character history. I removed Ela altogether (since she isn't mentioned as a natural daughter to WIlliam in any sources I have read) and changed Ada's dynasty to a non-Dunkeld one. Nothing happened to the line of succession! They all remain in the same order. Ela is gone, Ada is no longer a Dunkeld, but the succession acts as if no changes were made. I have to look into some unseen male inheritance, but I am quite sure it doesn't exist.
If I can't get this working, I will design a new elective succession system which deals wth Margaret's succession the way it happened in history, but I would like to get the primo succession working. Any thoughts on what is happening here and how I can fx this?
Kind regards,
Haleth
Something is rotten in the state of Scotland (or the primo mechanic)...
I just started to make a small mod to better play out the Scottish First War of Independence (you know. where the likes of William Wallace, Edward I and Robert the Bruce rocked). Its starting date is the day King Alexander III dies and Margaret the Maid of Norway, his three year old non-dynastic granddaughter, takes over. Her death, at the age of seven and with no clear heir, starts the whole business where John Baliliol and grandpa The Bruce (along with a dozen others) vie for the throne, which Edward I of England is asked to settle ending in all out 30+ year war.
Now the base game doesn't do this era justice. Given I just studied the whole affair the last two days (30 years and 17 counties of a game spanning numerous centuries and empires), it can't blame the devs for not getting this succession haywire completely right. However, when I'm trying to set it straight editing the character history, I run into strange stuff.
So, I took this screeshot form the perspective of the mother of Margaret, conveniently also called Margaret. The succession law is Agnatic-Cognatic primo. On the right of both Margarets you see one of the more importants claimants Robert (grandpa The Bruce), son of Isabel, daughter of David. Next to Robert is Dervorguilla, the mother of John Balliol, the other major claimant. However, funnily enough, to the left of the Margarets is Patrick (of Dunbar), son of the Dunkeld bastard Ada, whose son is the primo succession heir in the game. This is weird since Ada is a non-legitimized bastard daughter of king William. Next in line, after the sons of Patrick, are the descendants of another, this time non-Dunkeld, bastard daughter of King William, Ela.
So first a couple of questions. Why do the bastard children take precedence over the non-bastards? Doesn't the mechanic recognize they are bastards? And wy are the children of Ada favoured over Ela? Ela is older, so her kids should come first. Is it because she isn't a Dunkeld and Ada is? And why is it, that even if I kill off all the descendants of Ela and Ada, six in total, the succession flips to the vassals, not taking into account Robert or John? I remember reading somewhere that primo doesn't go back for more than four generations. Is that true? Could that also be why bastards are considered at all?
So I tried to fix this by editing the character history. I removed Ela altogether (since she isn't mentioned as a natural daughter to WIlliam in any sources I have read) and changed Ada's dynasty to a non-Dunkeld one. Nothing happened to the line of succession! They all remain in the same order. Ela is gone, Ada is no longer a Dunkeld, but the succession acts as if no changes were made. I have to look into some unseen male inheritance, but I am quite sure it doesn't exist.
If I can't get this working, I will design a new elective succession system which deals wth Margaret's succession the way it happened in history, but I would like to get the primo succession working. Any thoughts on what is happening here and how I can fx this?
Kind regards,
Haleth