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Peter Ebbesen

Peter Ebbesen

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The resurrection ability used to work every time I activated it, but as of 1.105 I have observed that it only works some times. (It may have been the broken before 1.105 and I just lucked out not observing it at that time, of course).

You activate the unit ability as normal, select a target, click to cast, and the caster goes through the normal spellcasting process, but when he finishes the cast no casualties are resurrected.

Further observations:
  • Both 1/2 and 2/2 have been observed working in some cases and not working in other cases in 1.105
  • When resurrection fails in one battle, it seems that all casts of resurrection fails in the battle. Conversely, when it succeeds in a battle, seems that it succeeds for all casts. --- I am not sure of this, as I have not rigorously tested it; After 2-3 failed resurrections in a battle I tend to spend mana on other things rather than thorough testing. EDIT: This point is false. Upon further testing, it is possible to have resurrection succeed on some casts and fail on others in the same battle.
 
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Hmm, that one is harder; I'll have to save before each battle and wait for the first battle in which resurrection doesn't work, as I don't remember which of my previous saves are immediately before battles, where it didn't work.

Then, having observed a battle where it happens, I'll feel forced to quit KA2, turn off the computer, turn it on, load KA2, reload the save, and immediately start the same battle... and see if it also results in resurrection not working in that attempt, i.e. if it is at all reproducible. (Rather than being merely sporadic.)

Ah, well. I'll update you when I've got the relevant save.
 
Reproduced and mailed. The specific battle to test is described in the download.

The battle was attempted thrice restarting the computer and KA2 between each subsequent attempt with the following results:
1. Resurrection didn't work at all the 6-8 times I attempted to use it.
2. Resurrection worked most of the times I attempted to use it but failed a few times. (9-11 attempts total)
3. Resurrection worked all the times I used it (3-4 attempts - by now I had become so good at this particular battle that it was won with minimal casualties in a very, very, short time, which alas gave little time to test resurrection)

I have absolutely no reason to believe that this particular battle will tell you anything special, since resurrection sometimes works and sometimes doesn't in all the battles I've played recently, but who knows?
 
For what it's worth I can confirm that resurrection only works sporadically. I think it is somehow tied to specific units in a battle. For example, in the battle I just fought I cast Resurrection on a Poisonbolts unit three times and it failed all three times. On the other hand it worked both times I cast it on a Mercian Vindicators unit. So it doesn't look to me like resurrection doesn't work in some battles, rather it looks like units are sometimes "immune" to the spell in a battle.
 
We tried to reproduce this issue, but as of yet we couldn't.

About the spell (just to make sure it is indeed a bug): The spell can only resurrect those units that you have lost in that battle where you want to use the Rsurrection spell. Soldiers lost in earlier assaults cannot be resurrected. Can you confirm that the spell does not work even with units that you lost in the very same battle and not earlier? Please try it again if you are not 100% sure. Till now it has always worked for us as intended.
 
Mmmm. now, THAT is a good question, Kate.

Currently the skill's tooltip says: "Resurrects x% soldiers of the target unit"

Since the tooltip does not in any way inform about the limitation you mention, I have not tested for it and, indeed, not been aware of it either - though I can certainly see why you might have that limitation for reasons of balance and avoiding rewarding certain counter-intuitive strategies.

It is entirely possible that the skill works as intended and what we've got is a a tooltip bug: not describing correctly what the skill does. I'll try to perform a structured test this weekend given this new information.


Regardless of the outcome of that test, you need to update the tooltip to correctly reflect the functionality of the spell: "Resurrects x% of the soldiers lost in the target unit in this battle.", or something like that, because misleading tooltips are worse than no tooltips.

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The IDEAL thing, of course, given such a limitation, would be to display a small tooltip next to the mouse pointer telling the player how many men will be resurrected when he has chosen the resurrection skill in battle and hovers it over a unit during spell target selection. Granted that the number given would only be exact if the unit didn't take further damage or get hit by another resurrection spell in the 10s casting windwo , but it would give the player actually useful information to base his choice of target on, rather than having to memorize the exact number of men each of his units had at battle start, subtract the current number of men, multiply by 20% or 30% and then consider whether it is worth it.
 
I don't believe that covers all cases of the spell not working but reproducing it in a specific battle is proving to be a problem. I can save before a battle, fight it and have the resurrection spell not work on a certain unit during the battle repeatedly, then restore the game and play the same exact battle and have the spell work on that unit.

So that's going to be hard to reproduce.
 
Neocore_Kate said:
Yes, we know that you couldn't possibly know about it yet. The Resurrection tooltip will be extended in the next patch.
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I can confirm this has happened to me as well quite a few times and I always start my fights with all units full early on, so its not an issue of not being able to ressurect units that were dead in previous battle in my case. It seems to happen mostly when I try to do it on cavalry unit for some reason althought it might just be a coincidence.
In my save file all my units are at 100% capacity and I tried fighting the army I m sitting on top of I just rush the whole army to the central vl, fight there with agravain heal up as much as possible and randomly try to resurrect the 3 cavalry units, sometime during the middle or end of the battle (when i m clearing the last survivor popping up from the gate) resurrect will just fail on a unit and all further cast of resurrect on that unit will fail as well.
This issue is very random and I have only managed to reproduce it 2 out of 6 battle retry at that save point, it might have something to do with restarting battles as well since the 2 times i managed to reproduce it were toward my last retries.
I am posting a video on daily motion as well to show it in action. I' ll post the link once it is uploaded with my slow connection ^^;
 
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I posted a short video showing the problem here, it's from the battle right next to my position in the save file posted earlier. The combat start with all units at full strenght and when I try to resurrect my units of 48 light cavalry in the video the spell doesn't work, it has worked during the whole battle but it just stopped working toward the end .
Edit : removed the link of the first video as the 2nd video in the post bellow, actually shows how the unit instantly die after resurrection.
 
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Another update, after more tries, I have finally managed to see what was actually happening when the resurrection spell doesn't work it seems that resurrected units actually instantly re-die as they are being resurrected either airborne or probably underground when we don't see any effect after resurrect having been casted.
Here is a video showing my infantry instantly dying after being resurrected airborne and thus we don't see any effect on the unit count in the status bar (at the start of the video you can already see a few corpses in the air, that is because I had already cast a failed resurrect just before. Moving position doesn't seem to help fix that, it just makes us not see them die again sometimes)
http://youtu.be/nK8jiLlmC0I
 
Many thanks guys for the help. I was also able to reproduce the bug and it seems it only happens if the soldiers of the unit you cannot resurrect were trampled before in the battle. It is already fixed, if it's not a more complex issue it should work as intended after the next update. Many thanks for the taking the time to reveal what might be causing this issue. It helped a lot :)
 
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