Revoking titles

[Flammehav]

Since my king is a dumbass when it comes to intrigue, I decided I wanted to take back one of the provinces one of my counties held and rather give him back one of mine that was less rich. So I gave him a county and he was probably happy as can be, but when I then tried to take back the other county he protested and I didn't get it.

It seems plausable that he disagreed with me takeing away his province, but he didn't revolt or anything, so I couldn't send and army to make him give it to me. In the end I just took back the province I had given to him in the first place, wich he agreed on, but now had a claim to.

So how do I revoke a title when someone doesn't want to give it up?


As long as we're on titles. When my heir grew in to adulthood, I made sure to find him a proper wife before giving him 4 counties. Unlike his dad he is a genious when it comes to intruige and have 17 as his base skill. I planned to make a duke title and give it to him. At the time I had just came out of a war and has to wait about a year and ahalf before beeing able to afford the 100ducats it take to make a duke title.

My son on the other hand is no fool. He managed to get the money together himself and proclaimed himself duke. Then he made his 3 month old heir duke of another realm. Will that be a problem later on? Atm, his son is in another court. Can he(me if my king dies soon(he is 55) choose his upbringing since he has his own court, or do I in the end have to go to war against my son, grandson if the 3 monhts old baby refuse to give up his duketitle before he is 5?

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

There is no procedure which makes revoking a title always successfull. Having a higher (much higher) diplomacy-rating then the revokee improves the chance.

You can only choose the education of children who are in your court, so in this where you grandson is already a duke, you (or his father) can no longer choose his education or have any other influence over him.

 

[Flammehav]

Yeah, my grandson is now 5 years old, have undertook a martial training and managed to get himself excomunicated. Not bad for a 5 year old.

I want to strangle my son now, for letting his heir and only son(he only got 2 kids in 6 years, (despite young wife), beeing duke at such a young age. Next time I might just married him to an old hag, uncapeble of bearing children, until the father dies, then get him a new young wife.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Yeah, my grandson is now 5 years old, have undertook a martial training and managed to get himself excomunicated. Not bad for a 5 year old.

I want to strangle my son now, for letting his heir and only son(he only got 2 kids in 6 years, (despite young wife), beeing duke at such a young age. Next time I might just married him to an old hag, uncapeble of bearing children, until the father dies, then get him a new young wife.

Since your son is already a duke and now your grandson also it means your grandson inherited the title (your son hasn't given it to him, neither can he prevent the inheritance).

Check to see who is the heir of your grandson, if it is your son then it might be easier to assasinate your grandson. Since your grandson will most likely have a lower intrigue.

And yes that is CK, assasinating a 5 year old child to improve your dynastie

Of course assasaniting your grandchild is also dangerous, cause when you fail you might get the kinslayer trait, which is not a good trait to have.

 

[unmerged(133776)]

Then he made his 3 month old heir duke of another realm

Since your son is already a duke and now your grandson also it means your grandson inherited the title (your son hasn't given it to him, neither can he prevent the inheritance).

Veld is correct, your grandson inherited a Duke title from someone else (a Duke never gives out extra Duke Titles to anyone. Count titles, yes if he's over his Demesne limit). Check the kids Mother's side of the family. Either his maternal Grandfather or maternal Uncles died and the kid was the first Heir.

Since the kid is now excommunicated, he won't be inheriting YOUR titles (once your current Ruler and the kids father die) unless he gets an event to get rid of that trait. If you're willing to chance it, let the grandson be for a while (all depending on who his first Heir is). Since he's only 5, there's still 11 years of childhood to go through, and kids have a habit of dieing in-game. It also depends on how long you feel your son will rule before he gets those old-age events or how many wars he personally fights or how many Rivals he has (if his wife is a Rival, that throws a ton of bad chance events his way). Of course, since he's a vassal in another Realm, he could always lose his Titles to his Liege or to an enemy.

Just have to weigh all of the options. Chance of a Kinslayer trait if you get caught trying to off the kid or your Realm goes to someone other than him. The only good thing is his Duke Title was never part of your Realm to begin with (If I'm reading between the lines correctly) so you may just lose out on bringing a new Title into your Realm.