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Castamere isnt a ruin, it's just has barely any men there(lost all the castle levels)
I know, but it should be a Ruin. It would make more sense and would stop Tywin giving it away to some random nobody
But
Rolph Spicer, brother of Lady Sybelle Westerling get Castemare as a reward for contributing to the collapse of the Young Wolf
Create Castemare Ruin in ACOK but full upgrade in AFFC is no sense
Fair enough, but atleast make it a lvl I or II castle to represent it being destroyed and needing too be rebuilt to its former glory. Now it has no level, so its a castle without a castle which makes even less sense
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it only flooded, not completely destroyed? As I remember, the Castameres had holed up in the underground fortress part of it, then expected Tywin not to press the issue and order them to surrender. He, however, flooded it and waited until the screams stopped.
If I recall most of Castamere, the castle that is, was underground and was flooded. As such it can be regarded as being mostly destroyed, in the sense that it will take a lot of work to drain the underground portions and make them liveable/useable again.
And I agree that Castamere have a level I or II castle, to represent the upper-ground portion remaining mostly intact. That also reminds me, Codd Hall in Pyke has no fort level. At least make them a level II ironborn castle!
No level is not "a castle without a castle". No level is the most basic form of castle (or in this case castle remains).
Might be fun to include an event chain/decision to try and restore it. Sort of like Harrenhall, but without the curse. Try and drain the upper levels, restore water damage, and eventually reclaim the mines.
Pretty sure Tywin "shattered" their above ground keep (a few towers, wall towards the "mine" and a minor keep). He flooded the rest (and obviously left it flooded, unless there was somehow a way for it to drain). Rolph Spicer was made "Lord of Castamere" which means lord of the lands of Castamere. He'd probably have to rebuild the surface keep.
As for the underground part that's flooded? Well, he'd have to find a way to drain it and clean the dead muck and rot out. That alone would be a huge undertaking. Restoration probably wouldn't be as difficult as restoring Harrenhal it'd certainly be costly and time consuming.
As for the underground part that's flooded? Well, he'd have to find a way to drain it and clean the dead muck and rot out. That alone would be a huge undertaking. Restoration probably wouldn't be as difficult as restoring Harrenhal it'd certainly be costly and time consuming.
I don't really know what situation the castle is in right now, but all I can say is that even if the castle was in ruins, the lands and villages surrounding the castle still generate income and manpower.
Tywin also gave Harrenhall to Littlefinger, despite it being a decrepit ruin held by the enemy. So just granting the title doesn't mean there's a usable castle there.
Harrenhall isn't usable ? For 300 years was
Harrenhall was insane project but Tywin doesn't use dragons
I imagine that Tywin burn and plundered Castemare like Ramsey Winterfell
But stone not burn, only dragonfire can do that
Harrenhall is weird because it's a big white elephant. It's a ruin, but it's also some pretty fertile real estate, being in the Riverlands and probably worked rather little in the last three hundred years or so. Houses can still live there because, while most of the place are truly ruins, each of it's towers are the size of large castles and even using the bottom floors of one or two can be enough room for a powerful house's men at arms, or a entire army.
Castamere, on the other hand, has a destroyed above-ground keep and it's underground section completely flooded. Rather than it being a ruin, I'd suggest that it could have a building in it that's somewhat mimics the special one Casterly Rock has, to represent that it's real value is that the underground sections bring it some value. However, it should also have the 'Heavily Flooded', which would negate all those bonuses that would be associated with that special building, and it would take time and effort to slowly drain the underground section so that it's a fully functioning fortress. And then comes the building of a above-ground fort.
Castamere, on the other hand, has a destroyed above-ground keep and it's underground section completely flooded. Rather than it being a ruin, I'd suggest that it could have a building in it that's somewhat mimics the special one Casterly Rock has, to represent that it's real value is that the underground sections bring it some value. However, it should also have the 'Heavily Flooded', which would negate all those bonuses that would be associated with that special building, and it would take time and effort to slowly drain the underground section so that it's a fully functioning fortress. And then comes the building of a above-ground fort.
As I recall, Harrenhal is still considered a defensible position, even as a melted ruin. It was just that good of a fort.
Castamere is still inhabitable as the Greatjon sacks the mines of Castamere in Robb's Western campaign.
Just because mines exist in the region doesn't mean the castle still does. Winterfell was not only a sprawling castle but also had nearby villages (and likely mines). Just because Winterfell burned doesn't mean the mines don't exist anymore.
If there's an Essos like ruin there then this would mean that the Castamere region is not paying any taxes to anyone. Castamere would pretty much be a piece of unclaimed land in the middle of the Westerlands. Which is very unlikely. Having it belong to Tywin makes most sense.
On the other hand, that's how Summerhall is treated, so there is precedent.