So, I was busy overgrazing my lands before I finally figured out that I should be giving excess counties to herders rather than sitting at +1 of my domain size. But once I started to engage with the herder mechanic properly, I started having some weird questions I can't figure out.
1) Herders cost 75 prestige to demand tributary. Even if the Greatest of Khans (me) just gave them the land. Is this WAD? It seems weird that they aren't automatically my tributary if I gave them the land, and it's even weirder that it costs me prestige to do it.
2) Herders are tributaries. The game implies they have a tributary contract, as here:
But when I try to check their "contract" out, I see this:
I can't see what I'm actually getting from them. I checked this tooltip...
It says I'm getting a tiny trickle of herd from these two herders, but the amount is so small that it might as well be a rounding error. Is this normal? And is there some way to change their tributary "contract"?
3) My herders keep being victims to involuntary migrations, and the guys migrating half the time refuse to pay me tribute. Fair enough, I can just conquer the interlopers. But here's the problem: I can't find a way to change the herders tributary terms, so I can't come to their defense. My herders are forced to accept migration without me getting a say so. This creates a bizarre revolving door of "create herders", "herders get targeted by migrations", "I conquer the migrating idiots", and then "create new herders." Am I missing some way of forcing other nomads to at least fight me before executing a migration against my herders?
To be clear, I wipe them out easily, but I have to waste time and prestige declaring an offensive war against interlopers who are messing with my tributaries. Other tributaries I can protect if I so choose via the guarantee in their contract, but my herders are unprotectable.
4) Yanking pasture land from my herders damages control (or they just have bad control in general). This mediocre control results in poorer fertility the moment I grab their land. Am I missing something? Should I only be yanking their land when control is 100, or should I just be rotating my lands more frequently and accepting that maybe control lower than 100 is fine as long as I have enough land to rotate in and out every other year?
5) Are herders worth messing with once you have a ton of yurt upgrades (fertility and herd growth) in place? I seem to still get a ton of herd from my fertile counties that I directly own versus vassals and tributaries. But I also noticed that I run down fertility fairly quickly once I have a herd of a certain size. Coupled with bad seasons, it seems like I have to swap out herders frequently. Or am I reading the tooltips incorrectly and my personal herd size doesn't impact fertility at all? It's just running down on its own regardless of 5 or 50,000 animals?
1) Herders cost 75 prestige to demand tributary. Even if the Greatest of Khans (me) just gave them the land. Is this WAD? It seems weird that they aren't automatically my tributary if I gave them the land, and it's even weirder that it costs me prestige to do it.
2) Herders are tributaries. The game implies they have a tributary contract, as here:
But when I try to check their "contract" out, I see this:
I can't see what I'm actually getting from them. I checked this tooltip...
It says I'm getting a tiny trickle of herd from these two herders, but the amount is so small that it might as well be a rounding error. Is this normal? And is there some way to change their tributary "contract"?
3) My herders keep being victims to involuntary migrations, and the guys migrating half the time refuse to pay me tribute. Fair enough, I can just conquer the interlopers. But here's the problem: I can't find a way to change the herders tributary terms, so I can't come to their defense. My herders are forced to accept migration without me getting a say so. This creates a bizarre revolving door of "create herders", "herders get targeted by migrations", "I conquer the migrating idiots", and then "create new herders." Am I missing some way of forcing other nomads to at least fight me before executing a migration against my herders?
To be clear, I wipe them out easily, but I have to waste time and prestige declaring an offensive war against interlopers who are messing with my tributaries. Other tributaries I can protect if I so choose via the guarantee in their contract, but my herders are unprotectable.
4) Yanking pasture land from my herders damages control (or they just have bad control in general). This mediocre control results in poorer fertility the moment I grab their land. Am I missing something? Should I only be yanking their land when control is 100, or should I just be rotating my lands more frequently and accepting that maybe control lower than 100 is fine as long as I have enough land to rotate in and out every other year?
5) Are herders worth messing with once you have a ton of yurt upgrades (fertility and herd growth) in place? I seem to still get a ton of herd from my fertile counties that I directly own versus vassals and tributaries. But I also noticed that I run down fertility fairly quickly once I have a herd of a certain size. Coupled with bad seasons, it seems like I have to swap out herders frequently. Or am I reading the tooltips incorrectly and my personal herd size doesn't impact fertility at all? It's just running down on its own regardless of 5 or 50,000 animals?
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