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HappyJBH

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I think it would be awesome if we could see a Andal Invasion start date. I know it would be ambitious but you got over 8000 years to work with and G.R.R.M has provided lots of history about the past of Westeros and I think it could be possible.
 
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The CK2 engine can't handle dynamic map changes, so any event before the Doom of Valyria would be impossible, I think that's the reason the devs haven't added dates before the Doom.
 
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The CK2 engine can't handle dynamic map changes, so any event before the Doom of Valyria would be impossible, I think that's the reason the devs haven't added dates before the Doom.
There was a sub-mod a while back that readded the Valyrian peninsula. Someone could use that and make another submod for GoT to tack place before the fall of Valaria.
 
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As Clos90 said, the devs have stated that they won't do it, mostly because dynamic map changes, as well as the sheer dead weight of work involved.
That said, when the devs did a poll a little while back, pretty much the most asked for thing was a pre Doom start, so who knows.
I agree that it would be interesting - the Starks had only just achieved total pre-eminence in the North, the Lannisters and Gardners did not yet have anywhere near the totality of the Reach or Westerlands, the Riverlands were in total chaos, the Stormlands only marginally better - as well as the Durrandons being exhausted from putting down the pretensions of the Masseys to being independent kings, Dorne being almost as disarrayed as the Riverlands, and the Vale of Arryn being only marginally better. And of course, the giant horror that was the Freehold nearing its height. Interesting, and most likely fun, and I would really like to play Theon Stark the Hungry Wolf and raze Andalos to the ground, but it would require a massive amount of work - lots of events to spawn invading Andal bands, as well as some way to simulate the near universal survival of the Great Houses, just to name a few.
 
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The CK2 engine can't handle dynamic map changes, so any event before the Doom of Valyria would be impossible, I think that's the reason the devs haven't added dates before the Doom.
That, and also, we don't really know that much about Andal Invasion as we do of AC Westeros
 
I think it's definitely doable. You wouldn't even need to change the Valyria textures, since Valyria before the doom is shown to be volcanic anyway.(I'm getting this from a picture in WOIAF that shows a Valyrian homeland city with a river of lava running through it)
 
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I think it's definitely doable. You wouldn't even need to change the Valyria textures, since Valyria before the doom is shown to be volcanic anyway.(I'm getting this from a picture in WOIAF that shows a Valyrian homeland city with a river of lava running through it)
Valyria used to be a peninsula, now it is 3 large islands and various little islands.
 
Ah, I missed that, then. It could be left as islands for the sake of modding, I suppose - By the way, where in WOIAF does it say it went from being a peninsula to being islands? I'm genuinely curious.
 
Yea, I completely forgot about Valyria. At this point im just throwing out unlikely ideas but for a predoom AGOT you could make another mod that has the peninsula.
 
The reasons we have against doing it our quite numerous but the main ones are:
  • Dynamic map changes are not supported by the engine
  • The amount of history work to bridge the gaps
  • We have little to no information for pretty much every single house, we would have to make them up
  • There are not many historical wars we know off so most scenarios would start off pretty much like the current Bleeding Years bookmark which many have said is boring
  • Coding for the andal invasions
  • Coding for cultural migrations
  • Coding for valyrian succession, they had 40 houses in the freehold who were effectively patricians, ck2 only supports 5 before you get interface glitches and lag if you have lots
  • Having many many dragons will almost certainly cause lag and other issues
 
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For the valyrian succession would it work if the empire tier title was elective with 8 vassal merchant republics... or would that break it somewhat
You cannot be a merchant republic and have vassals who are the head of their own merchant republic
 
The reasons we have against doing it our quite numerous but the main ones are:
  • There are not many historical wars we know off so most scenarios would start off pretty much like the current Bleeding Years bookmark which many have said is boring
That's not entirely true. Ghis legions attacked most of Essos. Valyrian rise. 5 Valyrian wars with Ghis, the 5th ending with the Ghis destruction. Valyrian War with Royhnar off and on for 250 . Valyrian war with....well everyone. Then the doom and game over.

In westeor we had the Andal invasion, the Starks cementing their rule in the north. After the Andal Invasion rise of the ironborn and constant wars between andal petty kings, especially in Dorne till Nymeria brought her army.
 
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That's not entirely true. Ghis legions attacked most of Essos. Valyrian rise. 5 Valyrian wars with Ghis, the 5th ending with the Ghis destruction. Valyrian War with Royhnar off and on for 250 . Valyrian war with....well everyone. Then the doom and game over.

In westeor we had the Andal invasion, the Starks cementing their rule in the north. After the Andal Invasion rise of the ironborn and constant wars between andal petty kings, especially in Dorne till Nymeria brought her army.
Exactly the ones we know of only involve the empire so if you weren't them then there is nothing going on it effectively you waiting to be steam rolled
 
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