Maybethis has been discussed before, but to the best of your collective knowledge, how long do we have to wait before this game is sold to the general public?
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Until it is done seems to be the most prevalent answer.
I too am looking forward to it.
I too am looking forward to it.
Originally posted by cestes
Until it is done seems to be the most prevalent answer.
I too am looking forward to it.
hehe we all are, if we weren't we wouldn't be on this forum
The betatesting hasn't started yet, and I'd say we will have to allow for a few months of testing etc. so personally I'll be surprised to see a release before the end of the summer...
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As of today (March 30) Amazon is listing a prospective release date of September 2. These have, however, been known to change - I know of one game (won't name it, since it wasn't a Paradox or SF product) that had its release date changed at least four times before it was eventually released, several months after the original date.
From what I read on Snowball's website forum we have still to wait a few weeks before the beta starts.
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The game's done when it's done .
No official release dates have been announced. Once we reach beta, thee shall have screenies. Some time after that, thee shall have release forecasts. This is how medieval communication works, no spreadsheets or P&L's.
.No official release dates have been announced. Once we reach beta, thee shall have screenies. Some time after that, thee shall have release forecasts. This is how medieval communication works, no spreadsheets or P&L's
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Originally posted by sergei
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This is how medieval communication works, no spreadsheets or P&L's
That's why Spain, France, etc. all went bankrupt several times...
Well, I would rather wait and have it done well, rather than have it rushed and not be properly tested and programmed...
I agree wholeheartedly! Paradox's reputation took a hit with HoI and CK can go a long way to repairing that given time.
True but CK's reputation is already a bit tarnished, being so late with beta being "just around the corner" or only a "sushi dinner away".
While I hope the extra time produces an (almost) error free game, there is little guarantee that this is going to happen (how long did it take for MOO3?). Just look at EU II if you want to see an example - would you want to wait until now (1.07) before the game was released in a bug free state?? I certainly would not.
Yes, I know EU II 1.00 had problems (although 1.01 was online by the time the game was on the shelves) for being released too soon. There has to be some reasonable amount of time when it should get to beta - not a year after it has been announced. And even if it does take a year to get to beta then why continually hint that beta is so close? Sounds like one of those govt. projects that gets out of hand and takes longer and accomplishes less than originally planned.
I think you have written my opinion very well, but I also see the point from MrT that HoI was not ready when it was published
I tend to agree with Mr T here. Sure it can be somewhat annoying for die-hard fans not to get their hands on CK but you have to see it in a broader perspective than that. Imagine all new players that do not now anything about all good work Paradox is doing to get EU 2 and HOI on the right track. What will they think when they get a game that is unplayable? I bought HOI but because of all defects and problems I put it away and have not played the game to this date. A bad CK game filled with bugs, crashes and other problems could really destroy the reputation of Paradox beyond repair. So no game before it is fairly acceptable please
Neither HOI nor EU II were ready for release when they were published. I am not saying that CK should be like either of them - it certainly should be better on release after all this development time. My point (I don't really have one but am just raving) is that the pressures that caused HOI and EU II to be released too soon are not present in CK (unless the pressure is to get it out before Christmas season 2003!). I don't want ot see a shabby CK released any more than the rest of you! What I do want is some sort of realistic estimation of what is happening and when. If you can't even get a game to beta in a year, then don't announce the game 'til you are confident that you can - or at least don't hint that beta is near etc.
Certainly I have sympathy for Sergei. Even though he is the producer he does not do the progamming (or at least I have the impression he doesn't) and is dependent on others to find and fix any problems - something which is difficult to determine ahead of time.
I don't agree with your example here. EU2 was very stable on most people's systems from at least 1.02 (which was IIRC about 6-8 weeks after the original release version) and pretty much bug free by 1.05 (with a couple exceptions). The two most recent patches have been mostly devoted to some significant changes in play - AI, MP, etc. - and only tidied up a couple lingering bugs.Originally posted by Sonny
True but CK's reputation is already a bit tarnished, being so late with beta being "just around the corner" or only a "sushi dinner away".
While I hope the extra time produces an (almost) error free game, there is little guarantee that this is going to happen (how long did it take for MOO3?). Just look at EU II if you want to see an example - would you want to wait until now (1.07) before the game was released in a bug free state?? I certainly would not.
HoI, by comparison and IMO, really requires the 1.03 patch to be roughly equivalent to the release condition of EU2. The 1.04 patch will, I suspect, be the first really strong version/patch that could be compared to EU2 1.02. When initially released the concensus from most players was that it was still in need of more beta work and code adjustments...sort of a 0.8 or something. (I should reiterate that the timing of this release was nnot under Paradox's control, but they had to suffer the consequences of it...far more so than any of the publishers who pushed the release date did.)
What I hope is that CK will be released when it is very close to something like EU2's 1.02 state...even if that means that the release is delayed to the fall - or, for that matter, until the US Thanksgiving Day weekend kicks off the Christmas sales. As long as it is in that sort of 1.02 condition then the only thing they'll hear is whining from all of us about how long it's taking to release it. IMO this is far better than to release it in 0.8 condition 2 months from now and have the forum flooded with complaints about what a crap game it is and how badly Paradox has dropped the ball again.
With any luck - and with a great deal of hard work from Paradox, Snowball and the soon-to-be beta testers - we might be lucky enough to get an awesome game sometime this summer. All I'm saying is that given a choice I would prefer to forego an early release and go swimming in water this summer, rather than wading my way through a forum full of angry posts and hate mail.
And what I am saying is that it should not take 'til Christmass sales season to get it to the EU2 1.02 state (even though EU2 1.05 would be better).From Sergei's post today (he seems rather pissed at my posts in this thread) beta won't be starting any time soon. Even if it did start today, judging from the length of other beta tests, the game won't be out until the unofficial date in September at the earliest - a year after the beta was predicted. Admittedly, there has been no official date for beta testing stated by Snowball/Paradox. However the hints etc. have led us on our merry way down the yellow brick road only to find it is a labrynth with the promise of the pot of gold just around the corner.
Do I sound angry? Well, I'm not - just disappointed and tired of listening to the same old BS that every other game company puts forth. Hoped Snowball was different.
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