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Which new country in the IGC do You like most?

  • Novgorod

    Votes: 16 6,5%
  • Greece

    Votes: 66 26,7%
  • Ryazan

    Votes: 11 4,5%
  • Ragusa

    Votes: 14 5,7%
  • Ethiopia

    Votes: 30 12,1%
  • Uzbeks

    Votes: 19 7,7%
  • Dai Viet (Vietnam)

    Votes: 16 6,5%
  • Ayutthaya (Thailand)

    Votes: 12 4,9%
  • Pommerania

    Votes: 24 9,7%
  • Serbia

    Votes: 15 6,1%
  • Transylvania

    Votes: 12 4,9%
  • New Spain (Mexico)

    Votes: 12 4,9%

  • Total voters
    247
This is pretty crazy but I've played the game some 12 hours since yesterday morning. I'm sure the world is going to pot since my very important job of maintaining celestial balance is all but being ignored. :)

OK, so I voted for Ragusa though I haven't played it. And I have seen Novgorod emerge from the ashes of rebellion. What I have seen with Ragusa is that in one game, she became independent when Hungary was annexed by Austria. She fought against Venice several times and bc Venice got caught up in a belligerant alliance, she could never devote resources to subdue Ragusa. In another game, Venice alligned itself with Turkey (real odd) and turned on Ragusa after Turkey had all but swallowed half of Hungary. Here, Ragusa was taken in the course of a single seige as Venice could focus its effort and not let up.

I intend to play Ragusa and see what she is capable of as a minor. Is it possible to start as a vassal and let the game proceed from that? Or, must Ragusa become independent before being playable? I guess the same goes for all other vassal states.
 
My favourite addition? Holstein of course! ;) Sort of a doorstop between Denmark and the Hansa, it provides a good challenge as your both neighbours downright hate you. Hmm...hate is not correct, it's greed, I guess. They would rather see me as part of their country than as an independent country.
 
H - I can certainly see how Greece would make the biggest impact on the game among the new IGC nations. It would seem though that the trigger for Greece would be the religious intolerance of the player-controlled Ottoman Empire. Would the AI ever set tolerance for Orthodox to so low a level as to trigger the Greek revolt? Did you also make the Greek revolt coincident with some other event or threshold?
 
At the moment the emergence of Greece is mostly thwarted by a bug concerning the religion sliders (see bugs list for explanation). That´s why I set the number of provinces which HAVE to rebel for Greece to come into existence momentarily down to 1 (Hellas).

Hartmann
 
Go Greece! Maybe make a 1% chance to start off with? And have nationalism after 1700 or 1750?
 
I think for me to be comfortable with Greece's emergence anytime prior to Turkey adopting the mantle of 'sick man of Europe' circa 1770's.. (at the earliest), it would have to be on the heels of some major Turkish cataclysm such as loss of some core provinces, defeat of 1/2 their standing army, etc as a trigger.

There is precedence for such revolts among the Greeks when the Turks were clearly tested in war, but these were always on desperate occassions. Never was it enough (obviously) to deliver Greek independence, but it is 'possible' to have happened under the right circumstances.
 
Originally posted by lispbliss
Hartmann,

A couple guys on the General Forums told me to ask you about this. I'd like to be able to play Armenia in the GC. How would I go about editing the GC to create the country Armenia?

First You´ll need proper flag- and shieldgraphics, else it would be no real fun. So someone should help You in making these. Also You would have to research a list of possible monarchs and leaders for Armenia to implement in the monarch and leader files.
Of course You can just make a country and name it 'Armenia' but only doing this, would be no fun.
How to actually do this is a bit lengthy to explain because of all the things one has to take into account (explaining it would take me longer, than just to make a file for You). I think in Oranje´s or Huszic´s FAQ could be an explanation. If not, ask me again, and I will do it for You. But it could take a while as I´m quite occupied at the moment...

Regards, Hartmann
 
I would remove Novgorod. It never emerged and never had a chance to due to policies of annexation specific mostly to Russian conditions - deportation. All more or less important families of Novgorod (Tver and Pskov for that matter, too) were deported to some northern provinces and replaced with Muscovite families. Kinda hard to rebel without leaders. Instead, remove the Russian CB shield from Pskov, that will give Russia 30 years of revolts after they annex Pskov. Not too historic, but have more foundation than creating a hypothetical state that ceased to exist after 1484.

On a side note, Russia should have bad relations to Hansa, as Ivan III kicked out Hansa merchants out of Novgorod in 1494. Talk about trade embargo....Would be nice to have this as a historic event.
 
Originally posted by Crook
I would remove Novgorod. It never emerged and never had a chance to due to policies of annexation specific mostly to Russian conditions - deportation. All more or less important families of Novgorod (Tver and Pskov for that matter, too) were deported to some northern provinces and replaced with Muscovite families. Kinda hard to rebel without leaders. Instead, remove the Russian CB shield from Pskov, that will give Russia 30 years of revolts after they annex Pskov. Not too historic, but have more foundation than creating a hypothetical state that ceased to exist after 1484.
I agree that Novgorod shouldn't exist as a possible state. There are much better uses for the limited number fo tags that we have, especially since there was never really a chance of this happening after 1492. I think the CB shield on Pskov should be left though in order to encourage Russia to take the province (which certainly was a national province of theirs, after all).
 
I think the CB shield on Pskov should be left though in order to encourage Russia to take the province (which certainly was a national province of theirs, after all).

It is their national province, but if we want to give Russia some problems, we should remove the CB shield. Under present conditions Russia diploannexes it by 1520 anyway, it's not like they have to Dow Pskov.
 
Constanipole.

Yes, I like Novgorod Republic restoration idea. But also, I had idea, in which First siege of Constantinople defeated. Byzantine empire is still in ruins, and, in 1472, only province that remained was small area near Constantinople. So, byzantine is also IGC variant.:D :D :D