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Which country should be implemented in the IGC 1.7 using the PRO tag?

  • Kurland (revolter)

    Votes: 4 4,0%

  • Mecklenburg & Bremen (in existence right away, using also Hansa tag HSA)

    Votes: 16 16,0%

  • Mexico (revolter, would require a capitol different from Aztec capitol)

    Votes: 9 9,0%

  • Brazil (revolter)

    Votes: 5 5,0%

  • Argentina (revolter)

    Votes: 3 3,0%

  • Boer Republic (revolter, South Africa)

    Votes: 6 6,0%

  • Wales (revolter)

    Votes: 16 16,0%

  • Serbia (revolter)

    Votes: 25 25,0%

  • Bulgaria (revolter)

    Votes: 2 2,0%

  • Provence (revolter, as in the original GC)

    Votes: 4 4,0%

  • Transylvania (revolter)

    Votes: 6 6,0%

  • Lithuania (revolter)

    Votes: 4 4,0%
  • Total voters
    100
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Originally posted by Hartmann
The problem with pathetic Turkey will be gone in IGC 1.7 /patch 1.08. So implementing Serbia wouldn´t pose a problem, I think.

Whereas I myself voted for Bremen, I now think this would mean wasting a tag. Resthansa (Bremen&Lübeck) in an initial alliance with Holstein and Pommerania develops quite nicely. Mexico would be quite nice also with Spain being in danger of loosing it, but in the end I think It´s the Balkans which need more action! So I more and more tend to implementing one of the countries Serbia, Bulgaria or Transylvania. I think Bulgaria is not as important as Serbia, which leaves Serbia and Transsylvania. Even better would be having them both, but then we would have to drop another (European) tag and I don´t know which of the revolters we could drop with good conscience. :(
For Serbia it would be vital to have some sort of reasonable monarch list (with stats) like we had with Greece. Could anyone provide me with it? Same goes for Transylvania.

Hartmann
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Johan Zapolyai until 1540 6 5 7
JohanII 1541-1572 5 5 4
Stephan Bathory ( 1573-1586) 5 9 8
Gabor Bethlen (1587-1629) 6 5 7
György Rakosi (1630-1648) 5 6 5
György II Rakosi (1649-1664) 4 5 6
Michael Apafy (1665-1691) 3 4 6

Then hypothetical:

Michael II 6 3 5 (1691-1717)
György III 5 6 4 ( 1718-1740)
Michael III 4 3 5 ( 1741-1777)
Michael IV 6 5 2 (1778- 1794)
 
I vote for Transylvania... That will, as stated before, lessen Hungary's power, and perhaps increase the possibility of Austrian/Turkish expansion in the region. They also participated (albeit a short time) in Sweden's war against Poland during the 1650's, so they actually played some part in international politics.

A question: can you somehow affect the AI's behaviour regarding dip. annexations in the .ai files? And for example make the Turks go for military annexations against the Mamelukes etc?

Regards,
ph4n_swe
 
I´m now toying with the idea of implementing both Serbia and Transylvania as revolters. So I want You folks to tell me whether

a) I shouldn´t do this

OR

b) which of the following tags would be dispensable in Your opinion:

COR: Corsica
SAR: Sardinia
ROY: British Royalists
FPR: French Hugenottes

I know, dropping one of them is hard. But what I would like to know is, if there´s a tag among these which can be considered of less importance than both Serbia and Transylvania ...

Hartmann
 
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I would say drop Sardinia. There was never an independent Sardinian nation after the Middle Ages (when Genoa, Pisa, and Aragon got their hands on the island), and the 'kingdom of Sardinia' which eventually united Italy was nothing more than Savoy which gave away Sicily to the Habsburgs in exchange for getting Sardinia.

I'm not sure what the British Royalists (ROY) are supposed to represent. I would assume the opponents to Oliver Cromwell's regime, but looking at revolts.txt file it seems that they can revolt at any time, even when England is ruled by a king? Strange. Might consider ditching them and getting yet another tag.

Regarding Serbia's shield, you might also consider using the silver double-headed eagle (old Byzantine imperial symbol granted to Serbia due to a dynastic marriage).
 
Originally posted by Hartmann
I´m now toying with the idea of implementing both Serbia and Transylvania as revolters. So I want You folks to tell me whether

a) I shouldn´t do this

OR

b) which of the following tags would be dispensable in Your opinion:

COR: Corsica
SAR: Sardinia
ROY: British Royalists
FPR: French Hugenottes

I know, dropping one of them is hard. But what I would like to know is, if there´s a tag among these which can be considered of less importance than both Serbia and Transylvania ...

Hartmann
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Corsica: no. Paoli existed...

Sardinia.yes but by the contrary, put in possible provinces for Naples independance Sardinia...

British royalists and French Huguenotes were for some years existing powers with diplomatic relations: they must remain for this reason.

Another possibility: Nubia: Nubia kingdom was destroyed by Mameluk well before 1492. Suppressing it wouldn't create real balance problem as Turkey is certainly now sufficiently strong to cope with Mameluks.
 
Just a small note: If Transylvania is implemented as a revolter the Hungarian monarch file has to be modified again, since I believe it includes some Transylvanian rulers.
 
As much as it is both accurate and interesting to have the British Royalists in the game as a revolter, they also emerge in every game I have played and deal a killing blow to England at a critical point in its development. Right now, I have Eire, Scotland, England, and the Royalists all vying for the two islands and none of them amount to much of anything. Englands land tech is lowest among the great powers, its naval tech is average, it has a smattering of colonies, and is by and large allied with other non-strater nations like the Mamalukes.

As for the others, I would like to keep the French Huguenots although I have NEVER seen them emerge at all. Despite France being the big bully and constantly eating up all these small nations, it rarely has a revolt that produces Provence or the Huguenots. I have no preference for keeping/doing away with the other tags.

Just my 2 ducats.
 
I'd say remove the English Royalists. The English AI is fighting for mere survival 3 times out of four from what I've seen in my games... Gosh, I've seen France, Scotland, Spain all easily getting English provinces. Even the Papacy once!
 
I say Transylvania. Let Vlad the Impaler and his descendants wreak havoc upon the Turks once again.

Do not make it Wales. The AI for England has a hard enough time as it is.
 
I'm also in favor of getting rid of the Royalists, for reasons that I've think I mentioned about six months ago ;). The French Huguenots makre much more sense as a revolter, but do they ever actually appear? If yes, then keep them and get rid of either Corsica or Sardinia, otherwise, you might as well get rid of the Huguenots.
 
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Ok, I've made a new Serbian shield. With the 'Silver Eagle'. Probably a bit too modern, but it doesn't look too shabby. ;)
On the other hand, I can't find any Transylvanian flag. Need some help with that.

Jeremy
http://uk.geocities.com/jw_mcguinn



Originally posted by Solmyr

Regarding Serbia's shield, you might also consider using the silver double-headed eagle (old Byzantine imperial symbol granted to Serbia due to a dynastic marriage).
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McGuinn

The Transylanian shield:

An eight foot stake, driven into the ground, pointed on top with blood running down the side in a green field with the houses of nobles burning in the background.

Um, then again maybe not. :)

Again, your work is wonderful!
 
Re: McGuinn

Thanks Savant. Too bad, I already have the shield.
But if no one comes up with a real flag, I might have to make one up....:)


Originally posted by Savant
The Transylanian shield:

An eight foot stake, driven into the ground, pointed on top with blood running down the side in a green field with the houses of nobles burning in the background.

Um, then again maybe not. :)

Again, your work is wonderful!
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O.k. I decided to implement both Transylvania and Serbia. :) Sardina will be the goner.

As I want to implement these countries for the next version already, I will maybe have to delay the release a few days until the flags and shields are ready (Jeremy?:))

Btw.: Has someone *any* clue about adequate stats for those patriarchs figuring as Serbian monarchs? :):

Montenegro


Vavilas........................................1492-1520
Germanos II....................................1520-1530
Pavlos.........................................1530-1532
Vasilije I.....................................1532-1540
Romil..........................................1540-1557

Serbia
Macarius.......................................1557-1575
Gerasim........................................1575-1587
Hierotheos.....................................1587-1592
John...........................................1592-1614
Paisius I of Janjevo...........................1614-1647
Gabriel I......................................1648-1655
Maximus I of Skoplje...........................1655-1672
Arsenius III...................................1672-1691
Callinicus I...................................1691-1711
Moses..........................................1711-1724
Arsenius IV....................................1724-1737
Ioanicius......................................1737-1746
Athanasius II..................................1746-1752
Gabriel III....................................1752-1758
Cyril II.......................................1758-1763
Basil..........................................1763-1766

Montenegro again

Sava II........................................1766-1781
Peter I........................................1781-1830

Hartmann
 
...Sardinia? Noooooo! *weeps*

Bah. I'll re-edit it, you'll see. I'm not sure how, but I'll re-edit it... :D

Anyways, the changes make for some possibly very interesting developments around the Balkans, I must agree.
 
Originally posted by Andrea Doria
...Sardinia? Noooooo! *weeps*

Bah. I'll re-edit it, you'll see. I'm not sure how, but I'll re-edit it... :D

Anyways, the changes make for some possibly very interesting developments around the Balkans, I must agree.
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I just saw, that the majority is for getting rid of those pesky 'Royalists'. So maybe I´ll reconsider. :)


Hartmann
 
Originally posted by Hartmann


I just saw, that the majority is for getting rid of those pesky 'Royalists'. So maybe I´ll reconsider. :)


Hartmann
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done some proposals about that in the IGC project thread. in cas you missed... I really think there is real possibility.
 
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