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That's why I'm so looking forward to Crusader Kings... conquering territory is not the main focus (as happens in many EU2 games), but building up your family and your reputation, and controlling your state effectively...
That's what I want.
 
Originally posted by Commandante
That is indeed one of the things that makes this game very interesting... :)
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That SHOULD make the game very interesting. After the experience with EU/EU2 and HoI I fear that maybe the "devices" built to prevent this are too weak (like the BB wars which happen only after you conquered lots of territory). :(
 
The thing about EU1, EU2, HoI was that they were sort of geared towards war...
I mean, to increase income or get resources you go after other provinces. And what are you going to do, sit around doing nothing while waiting for the next improvement to come along? There isn't much to do internally within these countries in EU1, EU2, HoI, so one would have to go to war really.
I'm sure that CK has a lot more to do than that.
 
Originally posted by Dimwit
The thing about EU1, EU2, HoI was that they were sort of geared towards war...
I mean, to increase income or get resources you go after other provinces. And what are you going to do, sit around doing nothing while waiting for the next improvement to come along? There isn't much to do internally within these countries in EU1, EU2, HoI, so one would have to go to war really.
I'm sure that CK has a lot more to do than that.
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Yep..I suppose the primary objective is to marry well so that your lineage has a chance of continuance. I wonder if we will be able to check the character's background for helpful hints; hmm, does that mean a reproductive stat? :eek: :p
 
My ideal game would be that you would have to spend years and years, maybe half or 75% of your game length just trying to become the dominant force in Italy or something. :)

Much less obtain england, france, norway etc :)

sure that will be possible, but titles to land as opposed to direct control of the land itself - now thats something.. :)

but theres always going to be people who study the system and learn how to control it and abuse it. So dont be surprised when you see AARs like "How I become King of the world" and "Daddy died and all he left me was half the known world"
 
Originally posted by Jaron
My ideal game would be that you would have to spend years and years, maybe half or 75% of your game length just trying to become the dominant force in Italy or something. :)

Much less obtain england, france, norway etc :)

sure that will be possible, but titles to land as opposed to direct control of the land itself - now thats something.. :)

but theres always going to be people who study the system and learn how to control it and abuse it. So dont be surprised when you see AARs like "How I become King of the world" and "Daddy died and all he left me was half the known world"
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You are right. Problem is what do you do during all that time (where you're not at war). EU offered very little in that regard: exploration, colonization. Diplomacy and religious conversion didn't really keep you busy.
 
Originally posted by Winkelried
You are right. Problem is what do you do during all that time (where you're not at war). EU offered very little in that regard: exploration, colonization. Diplomacy and religious conversion didn't really keep you busy.
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I think you hit the nail on the head here, Winkelried.

I hope for CK to offer a player all kinds of diversions and things-to-do that a feudal lord could experience, without having to resort to war as the only entertainment available. Passing laws, dynastic politics, royal tournaments and hunts, resolving disputes between vassals, participating in crusades, taking stance towards heresies, schisms and overall church politics etc.

For this, I really hope the "roleplaying" aspect will be strong (with individual characteristics of your family members, vassals etc. all playing a part in their actions).
 
Originally posted by Martinus
I think you hit the nail on the head here, Winkelried.

I hope for CK to offer a player all kinds of diversions and things-to-do that a feudal lord could experience, without having to resort to war as the only entertainment available. Passing laws, dynastic politics, royal tournaments and hunts, resolving disputes between vassals, participating in crusades, taking stance towards heresies, schisms and overall church politics etc.

For this, I really hope the "roleplaying" aspect will be strong (with individual characteristics of your family members, vassals etc. all playing a part in their actions).
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My wish also. If all of this is in the game then I will be delighted.:)
 
Yes good points all around. At times EU can be a put the speed up and stare at the screen for 10 years because you've run out of things to do! :)

EU was more on a global scale however. So the micromanagement would have been bad for gameplay. In this game, maybe we'll have lots of fun things to keep us busy and happy. :D
 
My only hope is to play a small duchy, take it through 300 years of cultural height, win some small wars and very little territory, while staying in a state-of-the-art improved castle, with lots of things to do around the house... :)
 
Originally posted by Schaksen
Using swedish spelling for a danish name ought to be a mortal sin :D

Edit: To stay on topic i hope it will be near impossible to do a world conquest.
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What do you mean Schaksson? :D

Of course world conquest is impossible, we won't get the whole map. ;)
 
Originally posted by Havard
I challenge you all to stick On Topic!
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I'll accept that challenge. ;)

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I believe that CKs MP portian is going to be vital, because like EU2 and HOI, these games are meant to be MP first and foremost. Perhaps not in design, but in reality they are.

See, the thing is. In EU2 SP you build a few forts, maybe make some troops, colonize a province...then wait. and wait, and wait. There has to be some waiting where you're doing nothing involved here.

But - in MP this is where diplomacy comes in, and just not knowing what your opponent will do. If I'm Spain, i'll just sit back and relax, but i'll have to worry what france is up to.

in CK, I would imagine in an MP game two players jostling over who will inherit a rich area when the local line dies out. I imagine maintaining a balance of power, and fighting over the rights of whoever to take the throne wherever will be an interesting part of this game.
 
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