Why fort zone of control doesn't work during civil war?

[JuanitoRUS]

I understand that civil war is a war with a unique mechanic, BUT why don't the forts work? It creates such situations where AI 2k armies run through your empire and capture territories when you try to catch them. Why Paradox didn't make auto-capturing mechanics work with forts together like you capture a fort and lands around become captured?...

 

[LordSkorpio]

I suppose it's because they wanted to make fighting battles more important than capturing territory like in most kind of wars. Just look for your enemy's main army and defeat it. Capturing territory matters little to warscore in civil wars.

 

[Emberfox]

The idea is that, since they are the same nation, they do not really conquer any area at all.
So the fact that there is a fort nearby is meaningless for the peasents, since they probably have troubles keeping your government and the opposition apart.
So they would not "flip" back to you once the aggressors leave - since they do not really see tham as that. It is jsut a disagreement in politics after all.



Also, you can actually ignore forts in a war, if you do not have the troops to actually take it.
Put a small stack on the fort, conquer the rest of the province and just demand every territory aside from the fort one.
I actually did that in tribal wars before.

 

[JuanitoRUS]

I suppose it's because they wanted to make fighting battles more important than capturing territory like in most kind of wars. Just look for your enemy's main army and defeat it. Capturing territory matters little to warscore in civil wars.

And then AI generates a new 2k army etc. The final goal is to conquer all territories so the idea doesn't work. Destroying armies means more when you lead a usual war.

 

[LordSkorpio]

And then AI generates a new 2k army etc. The final goal is to conquer all territories so the idea doesn't work. Destroying armies means more when you lead a usual war.

The final goal is to defeat your enemy in battle, not capture lands that were already yours. That's why you just need to focus on destroying enemy armies, you will see warscore points increase a lot when you defeat an army but you barely get any when you conquer a whole province. You can't fight all wars the same way because not all of them follow the same rules.

 

[JuanitoRUS]

The final goal is to defeat your enemy in battle, not capture lands that were already yours. That's why you just need to focus on destroying enemy armies, you will see warscore points increase a lot when you defeat an army but you barely get any when you conquer a whole province. You can't fight all wars the same way because not all of them follow the same rules.

In my Carthaginian civil war (to make monarchy) I won a lot of battles and my score was 45. I had to conquer all lands to win this war, it turned out faster.

 

[Nostalgium]

Strictly gameplay wise, it's a quirk of the fact that control of a province allows you to leave in any direction, even passing through ZoC. This is also true for normal wars, incidentally: If you occupy a province in the ZOC of a hostile fort, you can leave it on the other side of that fort. It's just not as glaringly obvious, since forts will reoccupy the province in question.