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Zeprion

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I found a very good and uncommon historical presentation that made sense, that I'd like to share.


"Churchill was a genocidal maniac. The Japanese were rounded up into concentration camps. FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. When you take history out of context, you can make it say whatever you want - including making bad things worse."

People in the 1945: We wish the future generations will learn for all this mistakes
People in the future: " Nit picks part of history to support their own narratives "

The best use of "target audience" you win the pun of the century award.
 
Cool, I’ll go grab some popcorn.
 
Great video - thanks very much @Zeprion. Highly recommended.
 
I found a very good and uncommon historical presentation that made sense, that I'd like to share.


"Churchill was a genocidal maniac. The Japanese were rounded up into concentration camps. FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. When you take history out of context, you can make it say whatever you want - including making bad things worse."

People in the 1945: We wish the future generations will learn for all this mistakes
People in the future: " Nit picks part of history to support their own narratives "

The best use of "target audience" you win the pun of the century award.
Did you find it by youtube's recomendations algorithm too? Because I've seen it yesterday just because this months old video popped up in my sidebar. Weird.
 
Hard to take the video seriously in regard to Churchill tbh.

His position seems to be:

"Taking a lifetime of actions and statements - running from the 19th century through to postwar Britain - which clearly express blundering incompetence, racism, and absolute callousness towards the lives of those who saw as his social inferiors, is cherry-picking.

All that silly stuff obviously has to be carefully balanced against a few nice speeches made in the summer of 1940."
 
Hard to take the video seriously in regard to Churchill tbh.

His position seems to be:

"Taking a lifetime of actions and statements - running from the 19th century through to postwar Britain - which clearly express blundering incompetence, racism, and absolute callousness towards the lives of those who saw as his social inferiors, is cherry-picking.

All that silly stuff obviously has to be carefully balanced against a few nice speeches made in the summer of 1940."

The rule about cherry picking applies. Churchill was a great leader in a critical moment in history. He was also arrogant, insensitive, racist, militarist, imperialist and classist. Anybody who unconditionally praises or condemns him fails to understand his complex historical legacy.
 
The rule about cherry picking applies. Churchill was a great leader in a critical moment in history. He was also arrogant, insensitive, racist, militarist, imperialist and classist. Anybody who unconditionally praises or condemns him fails to understand his complex historical legacy.

And he is basically one of those who transformed the greatest empire the world has ever seen into an illy-willy island nation. So roughly a British Aetius, stopped the Huns, but in the meantime he let his own Empire collapse.
 
And he is basically one of those who transformed the greatest empire the world has ever seen into an illy-willy island nation. So roughly a British Aetius, stopped the Huns, but in the meantime he let his own Empire collapse.

I find it hard to put sole blame on one democratically elected leader for anything as sweeping as “collapse of an empire”
 
I find it hard to put sole blame on one democratically elected leader for anything as sweeping as “collapse of an empire”

He was not personally responsible for the whole, but since he was Prime Minister for 9 years (including 6 where he was Minister of Defense too), First Lord of the Admirality for 4, Chancellor of the Exchequer for 4.5, Minister of Munitions for 1.5... he was certainly a man of influence at that period.
 
A dude on a couch cherry picks historical events to warn against cherry picking historical events. With really cheap graphic overlays.

Really hard to take him seriously and not quit 5 minutes in, which is what I did.
 
If Paul Joseph Watson did history. Sigh.
 
This is a terrible video, he is literally trying to minimize concentration camps cause he doesn't like the semantics...

Just noticed the next video I was recommended from his channel - "In Defense of Columbus".

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What is it with psychology grads and dodgy history.
 
Churchill... how important was he? From what I understand, whenever he meddled in military affairs, it almost always resulted in disaster for Britain. He is at times credited with keeping Britain in the war, but was that really all his doing? Was it really his decision alone whether or not to sue for peace or continue the war in the dark times after the Fall of France?
 
This is a terrible video, he is literally trying to minimize concentration camps cause he doesn't like the semantics...

I disagree, he was arguing that calling all internment camps 'concentration camps' produces the message that they are all equivalent, whereas the Japanese internment camps in America, regardless of their injustice, cannot be compared to a Nazi death camp (which is what is usually associated with the term concentration camp). I think it is a fair point to make. Most of the people who term things like the Japanese internment camps as 'concentration camps' in non-specialist media are deliberately using a term in its highly technical meaning to produce a false impression based on its everyday connotations.

Churchill... how important was he? From what I understand, whenever he meddled in military affairs, it almost always resulted in disaster for Britain. He is at times credited with keeping Britain in the war, but was that really all his doing? Was it really his decision alone whether or not to sue for peace or continue the war in the dark times after the Fall of France?

British executive government is done by cabinet not by prime-ministerial fiat. Hence it is hard to fully ascribe any particular policy or action solely to Churchill, good or bad. What can be said is that when he took power Britain had, with its allies, suffered the worst military defeat in history and was in a position to get a negotiated settlement with relatively little in the way of direct concessions from themselves. Churchill, with his long history of warlike rhetoric and hard-line stance on Germany, was the perfect candidate to harden British attitudes to continuing the war.

As such he both reflected and magnified British determination in 1940. If Britain had wanted to capitulate in 1940 there is no way he would have become prime-minister but his appointment also virtually guaranteed a continuation of the war.

His (or at least the government he led's) long term strategy, based around air and sea power, blockade and constantly seeking to bring the Americans in as allies proved to be successful. Churchill always understood the role Britain could play in the war, and was unflagging in his efforts to bring America into war as an ally. His fairly realistic idea of Britain's strategic limitations was part of what drove the extraordinarily effective cooperation between Britain and America throughout the war.

On the flip side, his tactical and operational thinking was often vastly optimistic with a few strokes on a map covering up a complex and challenging operation, often well beyond the capabilities of his forces. Where he was able to persuade his commanders to try his schemes they often ended in disaster.

A complex man with a complex legacy.