Tinto Flavour #22 - 27th of May 2025

[Pavía]

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Flavour, the happy Mondays, Tuesdays & Fridays in which we take a look at the flavour content of Europa Universalis V!

Today, we will take a look at two Orthodox countries, in advance of tomorrow’s Tinto Talks: Serbia & Georgia.

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Let’s start by taking a look at Serbia:

Serbia encompasses fertile lowlands and plains in the north, crisscrossed by the mighty Danube and Sava rivers. In the south, the landscape transforms into rugged, forested terrain and, eventually, the towering Dinaric Alps.

The realm emerged as a significant regional power under the Nemanjić dynasty. Founded by Stefan Nemanja in the 12th century, this royal lineage laid the foundations for a unified Serbian state, began to solidify its Christian Orthodox identity, and sought to establish ecclesiastical autonomy. This effort culminated in 1219 when the Serbian Orthodox Church gained independence.

Under the rule of Stefan 'the First-Crowned', Serbia’s territorial expansion accelerated, and the acquisition of coastal regions on the Adriatic Sea secured access to maritime trade and introduced Western influences. Stefan's son, King Radoslav, promoted the country's cultural development, fostering education and art, and monasteries like Studenica and Žiča flourished, housing precious religious manuscripts and frescoes.

Despite the many recent advancements, Serbia now faces external pressures and internal divisions. The Mongol invasion in the 13th century inflicted significant damage and conflict within the ruling Nemanjić family, particularly between King Stefan Uroš II Milutin Nemanjić and his brother King Stefan Dragutin Nemanjić, further weakening the state's unity. Now, the strong rule of King Stefan Uroš IV Dušan Nemanjić appears as an opportunity to change the tides of history.

As usual, consider all UI, 2D and 3D Art as WIP.​

Starting Estate Privileges:

Works of Art:

Advances:

Events:

But not all if positive, as upon the death of Stefan IV, this disaster might also happen:

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Let’s now take a look at Georgia:

Georgian people are proud and with a long history, for their ancestors were already living at the foot of the Caucasus even before the old empires of ancient antiquity were formed. They were among the first to embrace Christianity, and they made it their flag and identity. Even after the expansion of Islam, and being surrounded by heathen nations, they held their faith and became a bulwark of Christianity in the midst of the connection between East and West.

Not even the Mongol hordes of Činggis Khān managed to fully subjugate its people, for the Georgian people rose again in defiance once the Mongol threat waned. Having been united once before under a great kingdom, the Georgian people have the potential to achieve great heights once again.

The country had its greatest splendor during the rule of King Davit IV the Builder Bagrationi and Queen Tamar the Great Bagrationi. Now, after having been divided, the Kingdom of Georgia is once again united under the authority of King Giorgi V the Brilliant Bagrationi, after His Majesty conquered western Georgia and reasserted his rule over all the Georgian territory. Even Armenia bows now to the power of Georgia.

Although still technically subject to the Īlkhānān, it in itself is an empty husk, with no one to actually lead it. Under these circumstances, how could Georgia not rise again greater than ever before?

Georgia starts with this unique policies:

Advances:

Events:

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… And much more, but that’s all for today! Tomorrow, in Tinto Talks, we will talk about the mechanics of the Orthodox and Miaphysite religions!

And also remember, you can wishlist Europa Universalis V now! Cheers!

 

[Pavía]

Could you please show the event regarding the correspondence of the Mamluk Sultan with the king of Georgia? Thank you!

This one:

 

[Pavía]

According to Red Hawk's video the burghers in Serbia are Měšťanstvo and the clergy are Kler. I would recommend changing Měšťanstvo (class* of the inhabitants of a city/place in old* West and East Slavic languages (this one iz Czech)) to Građanstvo (class of the inhabitants of a city in Serbian and other South Slavic languages(?)) because that word doesn't and, to my knowledge, never existed in the Serbian language. Also somebody wrote on a thread once that Kler should be changed to Sveštenstvo, but I find that word pretty modern because there are more fitting words for the period like the aforementioned Kler and Klir. I think Klir hits a little closer to home because it was used in the coronation of Dušan (1331, king) written by a disciple of archbishop Danilo II. Also Kler is usually tied to the Catholic church and Klir to the Orthodox church, so I recommend changing that too.

 

[Pavía]

Pavia, isn't it time to upgrade your profile signature?
It's not a super secret game anymore
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It's still in my heart! But true, time to update...

 

[Pavía]

Georgia has its own patriarchate?

Yes, this is an advance of tomorrow's TT (which is when I'll talk about its mechanics):

 

[Pavía]

Are we ever going to get tinto talks about the Ottomans/Beyliks or Islam? I either missed them (which I doubt) or I am getting edged very hard. I would like to die in peace.

Is this a historical GSG about the Late Medieval and Modern Age period?

 

[Pavía]

I strongly recommend giving Georgia a few more unique policies:

"Regulations of the Royal Court"

+10% cabinet efficiency (?)

"Dzeglisdeba"

+15% control in mountain locations in the Georgian area

Oh, the first is already in the game, I'll just add it to the main post:

 

[Pavía]

@Pavía could you please show us the Georgian localisations of the estates? Thanks!

They don't have flavour localization, so feel free to post a suggestion. The parliament is called 'Darbazi', BTW.

 

[Pavía]

Did you forget to write the post or something? Upload the first draft and not the right one? It's just a list of pictures.

You might notice it's a trend I'm following, because I think that now that all/most of the systems and mechanics are explained, and how the flavour content works in general terms, the screenshots are quite self-descriptive of what can be found in the game (plus, our lovely nested tooltips!).

 

[SaintDaveUK]

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Will the images of the artworks be more generic, or will they have unique illustrations for each one as it was with the great projects/monuments in EU4?

They will start mostly generic for now, but the intention is to make more unique ones over the game's lifetime.

 

[Pavía]

Are there events dealing with Serbs/Serbia after the medieval period? Ones about the Great Serb Migrations that significantly impacted the ethnic picture of the region, or about the great Serbian revolts late in the game?

We have late game historical content, yes:

 

[Pavía]

Will Armenia have any flavour too?

Yes, there's a set of advances for countries of Armenian culture, here you have some:

 

[Pavía]

3D maps shown here are a beauty, but colours of counties' borders are too strong, they look radioactive.

And it seems some colours of borders do not correspond to the colour of the country (?):

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It's because I have the 'blend overlord color' setting, and they're taking the map coloring of its overlord, Naples.

 

[Pavía]

I might have missed it if it was mention but does Serbia a localized name for the parlament? If not i think Sabor would be fitting for this period of Serbias history

Sabor, exactly.