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Tinto Maps #21 - 4th of October 2024 - Chagatai and Tibet

Hello, and welcome to our weekly showcase of the map of Project Caesar. As you can see, I am not @Pavía, as he is enjoying some well-deserved vacations, so I will be covering for him in the meantime. Therefore, let me first introduce myself, as this is my first ever official post in the forums.

My name is Roger, and after being for many years an avid Paradox fan in general and of the EU franchise in particular (my first encounter with it was in the old times of EU2), I joined Tinto in 2021 and have been working on Project Caesar ever since. That is why you haven’t seen me around in the community, although some of you may remember me from appearances in some other events like the Grandest Land or some Twitch streams.

Well, now that the boring part is out of the way, let us focus on the fun part, the map! Today I’ll be showcasing Khorasan, Xinjiang and Tibet. There is some overlap with previous Tinto Maps, but that will make the stitching of the different pieces even easier.

Countries:
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Chagatai starts in a strong position, with even the remnants of the old kingdom of Qocho as its vassal. However, the internal situation of it is not that stable, with a lot of religious struggles (as you will see in the religion map). Besides, there is a certain 1-year-old baby around that may cause them some problems in the future… In the south, Tibet is under the control of the Sakya monastery with the other many Tibetan estates under its umbrella, while the Sakya itself bows to the authority (and also enjoys the patronage of) the Yuán dynasty of China.

Societies of Pops:
Unfortunately there are no SoP to show here, albeit there are some in bordering regions that will be better showcased in future Tinto Maps.

Dynasties:
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Here obviously the most relevant is the yellow of the Borjigin dynasty, descendants of Genghis Khan, although it seems that the name is too shy and doesn’t want to appear in the picture.

Locations:
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Provinces:
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Areas:

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Terrain:
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Here it is interesting to see the contrast between the high mountains of the Himalayas causing the harsh conditions of Arctic climate in all the Tibetan plateau, with the also harsh conditions of the deserts of the Taklamakan and Gobi.

Development:

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Not much development to go on in these parts, although we will probably have to make some adjustments, as right now the contrast especially in the area of Gansu may be a bit too harsh.

Cultures:
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I think that all of these cultures had “technically” already been shown in previous maps before, but some of them didn’t have their names visible. Obviously the most varied area is the Himalayas, while the more expansive and less populated ones are more extended.

Religions:
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As I said before, Chagatai starts in a very interesting position in terms of religion, with Tengri, Muslim and Buddhist faiths mixed in it, with also some Hindu and Nestorians (the starting ruler himself is actually Nestorian too), so they are sure to have some religious conflicts one way or another. On the other hand, Tibet has a stronger presence of both Buddhism and Bön. One thing I want to say here, is that we are studying options on breaking up the big Mahayana block that we currently have, so understand the Mahayana presented here as WIP.

Raw Materials:
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As one would expect, the more resource-rich areas are in and around the mountains, while the harsh conditions of the Tibetan plateau and the deserts allow for less.

Markets:
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The classic of Samarkand, Almaty, Kashgar, and Turpan establish a clear corridor for the Silk Road, going into China through Gānzhōu, while Tibet is divided between Leh and Lhasa.

Population:
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Despite the number being visually smaller, Chagatai has the most population with 14M, while Tibet follows with 298K. You can see here (if you hadn’t noticed it yet in the previous maps) that there are many parts in the Tibetan plateau that show 0 population but are not impassable terrain or corridors (as those don’t show population values at all). This means that these locations are able to be traversed and also colonized, although their harsh conditions won’t make either of those easy.

That is it for today. Next week we will be following on the horse’s steps and visit Mongolia and Manchuria together with Eastern Siberia. See you there!
 
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Owo.

Also
1. what is that enclave in the Chagatai?
2. not even the Changpa have a SoP?
3. I feel like there definitely should be a corridor between Cemar and Bairab, and Dorsotung and Dogai. The Changtung province should definitely not be disconnected from itself, that would be a nightmare when playing in the region and also makes no sense at all for a province to be disconnected like that
 
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Very cool and good to hear Mahayana may be broken up- hopefully between the esoteric Buddhism and a broader Chinese/East Asian religion. If I can provide some arguments for Tibet having a separate religion to China and East Asia is that Tibet at this time was a separate religious world to the Sinic and the Yuan dynasty had just brought the two together into contrast. The belief, practices of Tibetan Buddhism and Chinese Buddhism were different and the peoples at the time recognised them as different things. Buddhism in China at this time was known as fo jiao ('Buddha teaching') but Tibetan Buddhism was called lama jiao ('lama teaching') and was disparaged as degenerate after the collapse of the Yuan dynasty.
 
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Lol, omg, what a bunch of zeros ( ̄y▽, ̄)╭

Achievement idea: "From Zero to Hero", as a central asian nation, adopt Hellenicism and develop 10 Cities in the Tibetan Plateau

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This, however... wow, man. Isn't this too much for this area? :oops:
 
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