Werewolf Lite CXCIX- The Family Meeting, Part II

[AOK. 11]

Randy, seriously? You love tres that much to blow yourself up? :rofl:

Well, we found another. Lynch trespoe and then Randy.

 

[randakar]

So Randy and Adamus, did you save the village, or did you just save yourselves?

Adamus saved himself. I didn't need to save anyone, but that tie needed breaking.

And I suspect all wolves to be wolves.

:rofl:
Well, you got that one right

I also was waiting for the votes from Enkhuush & K-59.

You can't wait for everyone. That's just not how this game works.
It's understandable though, if you're a wolf..

Dirkje: aggressive votes towards known villagers? He voted Boris on turn 1, and you on vote 2. That's ONE known villager. He tried to snipe Reis91 to a 4 vs 5 vote at the last minute.

Dirkje is a she, not a he. In fact, she's a grandmother

 

[EUROO7]

I trust Ironhead.

 

[randakar]

Randy, seriously? You love tres that much to blow yourself up? :rofl:

Well, we found another. Lynch trespoe and then Randy.

That sounds like a stupid thing to do as a wolf, doesn't it?
For a scanned villager, doing what I am doing makes sense though.
So, which version do you think people will buy? That I am a suicidal wolf, or that my story is true?

 

[AOK. 11]

Well, AOK. I must commend your play here. Really. You felt my suspicion towards you, and decided to go all out in bringing as many villagers down with you as you could. And then you send me a PM to cover your tracks.

But really. You can't have been scanned AND been given a wolf to out in the same day. Your nonexistant response to my PM yesterday, the continued suspicion towards me even afterwards, it was a dead giveaway. The only thing I regret is letting the Seer waste a scan on you.

Oh, and people. I have several people who can publicly back me up about me telling them I had been seer scanned yesterday. Reis91. Rysz. Not to mention AOK. 11 himself, -and- my two not further to be named JL contacts.

Vote AOK. 11

I was scanned yesterday. He scanned tres a day before that apparently and did not have an outlet.

I was suspicious of your PM and did not give you much in return because of it. Obviously I was right to do so.

 

[EUROO7]

I trust Ironhead.

We should all trust Ironhead.

 

[drxav]

How reliable is this hereabove IF you are a wolf???

That has to be the best line of defense ever.

JL outing so soon? I dunno.

I'll have to figure this out.

 

[randakar]

As far as we know Reis91 isn't a clear villager either, and 4 vs 5 isn't a tie.
He tied you today after you tied Randy and Reis91. And pursuing a tie on day one would've been voting Reis91 (3 vs 5) rather than Boris.

Yes, well. I don't believe Reis to be a wolf. A moron at times, but not a wolf.

Hipp0, well, that last move towards a 3 way tie indeed is suspicious to me. Perhaps he was expecting a devastating vote switch that would've killed 3 villagers. In that hypothesis: Adamus Boris and Reis91 are villagers. Who could still vote snipe at that point (and sometimes did): me, Enkuush, and randakar (that did snipe). Dirjke sniped from Adamus to Reis91, had he been in that conspiracy he wouldn't have changed his vote. I was there at deadline and did not snipe. That leaves Enkuush, who didn't have electricity at the time thus couldn't vote.

.. that's all assuming Enkhuush' story is true, isn't it?
But I like the analysis so far.

Let's assume Enkuush and Hipp0 are wolves. Hipp0 switches from Randy to Reis. That makes a 4-4-3 count. Enkuush comes in at the last minute and votes Reis. We got ourselves 3 dead bodies and we're out of pancakes. It's a risky strategy but that'd put them way ahead in the odd counts. 3 dead villagers minus the hunted one, that's 4 in one night. It drops the odds to 8 vs 4. Quite a dangerous situation there.

Good. Now put AOK. 11 the wolf into that picture. What do you think his successful attempt to vote switch the lynch to Boris was trying to accomplish? Knowing that I have told him I was a scanned villager and -asked him- to switch?

I don't know,
It's my first WW_game online.

I'm learning everytime.
how can I send a personal massage to somebody?

I'm sure Kaetje can tell you how to do that

JL outing so soon? I dunno.

I'll have to figure this out.

If you are a wolf, and think you are probably going to be scanned tonight, what will you do? Especially if you're AOK, who boasts about killing as many people on the opposing team as possible?
As for my announcement: AOK. 11 forced my hand. I had to respond.

I was scanned yesterday. He scanned tres a day before that apparently and did not have an outlet.

I was suspicious of your PM and did not give you much in return because of it. Obviously I was right to do so.

Damn. I should have put money on that private bet I made with myself. You said exactly the thing I expected you to say.
Nice try, AOK.

 

[drxav]

So it's either Randy or AOK.

Let me see that.

Randy:

Turn 1: votes Reis91, votes Boris
Turn 2: votes Adamus, votes Boris

Boris is a villager.

AOK:

Turn 1: votes EUROO
Turn 2: votes Randy, votes Boris.

Both EUROO and Boris are villagers.

What are the possible packmates in each case:

Randy: Adamus and jonti-h. How so? Jonti-h is involved in the killing of EUROO and Boris. Adamus switched from Reis91 to Boris right before Randy on the last almost 3 way-tie turn.

AOK: jonti-h, Adamus. How so? Jonti-h same reasons as above. Adamus switched to Boris along AOK for his life was at stake.

That theory could still fit my previous analysis involving Hipp0 and Enkuush. We got jonti-h, AOK, Enkuush and Hipp0 as packmates. Turn 1: spread out the votes make sure EUROO goes down, Enkuush is inactive (damn you for ruining ma data!!!!). Turn 2: they try a 2 way-tie: Boris and Reis91 mixing votes here and there to create confusion. Fortunately Enkuush is still inactive and Randy and Adamus change at the last minute.

That's quite shaky and puzzling.

I'm leaning towards Randy on this. I'll save my vote for later.

 

[randakar]

I will remind people: AOK himself said:

I think you are probably innocent. I doubt a wolf would claim to be scanned in that position. There was no need at that point.

Contrast this to now. How easily he accuses me of being a wolf as well. When even he will have to admit that it may just be my contact who is the wolf. But no, he immediately attacks. Why?

I have some real life family stuff and work to attend to right now and I might not be back until very near the deadline.

By the way, AOK, what happened with this? Why are you still around? Or was this also a lie?

So it's either Randy or AOK.

Don't leave Trespoe out of this. AOK claims him to be a wolf. So it's either Trespoe the wolf, or AOK the wolf. And I could be a villager in either case, since my contact could be a lie. Which I -highly- doubt, since that means two wolves contacting me out of the blue, or a wolf who plays a very very deep PM game that I have never witnessed in the history of werewolf.

Randy: Adamus and jonti-h. How so? Jonti-h is involved in the killing of EUROO and Boris. Adamus switched from Reis91 to Boris right before Randy on the last almost 3 way-tie turn.

Adamus? I campaigned for his lynch yesterday. Remember that.

AOK: jonti-h, Adamus. How so? Jonti-h same reasons as above. Adamus switched to Boris along AOK for his life was at stake.

I doubt jonti would want to be associated with his packmates as a wolf. Obviously working together is a bit of a no no for a wolf pack.
Adamus .. well, that would explain the switch AOK away from Adamus that AOK. 11 instituted.

That's quite shaky and puzzling.

I'm leaning towards Randy on this. I'll save my vote for later.

Thanks for using your brain. That's all I ask.

 

[AOK. 11]

If you are a wolf, and think you are probably going to be scanned tonight, what will you do?

As for my announcement: AOK. 11 forced my hand. I had to respond.

Well said Randy. But my trust of you was obviously misplaced.

Those two lines I cannot disagree with. Randy knew he was going to be scanned. Once he knew I was JL and would confirm his claim to being scanned was bullshit, he was toast as I would have my man scan him. Thus he is trying to get the village to lynch the JL spokeman. Folks, I announced the truth that tres is a wolf. Randy saw it, knew he was going to die with tres as I would have the Seer scan him, and went kamikaze. Its that simple, and quite understandable.

The JL needs your votes. I am a Seer scanned villager. Tres is a Seer scanned wolf. Randy will be a Seer scanned wolf tomorrow unless he is being played somehow.

 

[randakar]

Well said Randy. But my trust of you was obviously misplaced.

:rofl:
First you claim to suspect me - when I am still lynchable. Then, you do a JL announcement and contact me by PM trying to ensure that if you -haven't- been scanned I would still give you the benefit of the doubt even though my contacts would tell me the announcement was a lie. And now, when I confront you publicly, all of a sudden I am the sure bet wolf. Well done, AOK. Really. You are very good at this sowing confusion and doubt business. But today, we fight.

I am not a wolf, but your attack on me only justifies my trust in my contact.

Those two lines I cannot disagree with. Randy knew he was going to be scanned. Once he knew I was JL and would confirm his claim to being scanned was bullshit, he was toast as I would have my man scan him. Thus he is trying to get the village to lynch the JL spokeman. Folks, I announced the truth that tres is a wolf. Randy saw it, knew he was going to die with tres as I would have the Seer scan him, and went kamikaze. Its that simple, and quite understandable.

Like I said; very nice piece of work there, AOK. But you seem to forget that that is the -exact- reason why me contacting anyone as a wolf and claiming to be seer scanned in the first place is bull. That story wouldn't hold up for even a second once the actual seer came out of the woodwork, and you know it.

The JL needs your votes.

So it does! AOK the wolf needs to get lynched today, no doubt about it.

Randy will be a Seer scanned wolf tomorrow unless he is being played somehow.

:rofl:

Why waste a scan on me at all, AOK? If you really are still unsure, and you really are in contact with a Seer, and I -am- being played by my contact, then you must know that hunting me will be that packs first priority. They cannot afford the names of my contacts to leak out, as they are obviously wolves according to that theory.
In fact, regardless of the truth, I am 100% sure that I will not survive this deadline. Scanning me is pointless.

edit: And that, my friends, is why you need to believe me. A wolf would -not- sacrifice himself for a single packmate like I am doing right now. That I guarantee you.

 

[AOK. 11]

:rofl:
First you claim to suspect me - when I am still lynchable. Then, you do a JL announcement and contact me by PM trying to ensure that if you -haven't- been scanned I would still give you the benefit of the doubt even though my contacts would tell me the announcement was a lie. And now, when I confront you publicly, all of a sudden I am the sure bet wolf. Well done, AOK. Really. You are very good at this sowing confusion and doubt business. But today, we fight.

I am not a wolf, but your attack on me only justifies my trust in my contact.

I contacted you wanting to see if your contact was my contact. That is what I wanted to know. Instead, you spout bullshit about me being a wolf. And if you did a legitimate outing and someone came back at you claiming that no, wait, its you that is the wolf? What would you do Randy? Send them flowers?

Like I said; very nice piece of work there, AOK. But you seem to forget that that is the -exact- reason why me contacting anyone as a wolf and claiming to be seer scanned in the first place is bull. That story wouldn't hold up for even a second once the actual seer came out of the woodwork, and you know it.

Of course it would not hold up long term, but long term you knew I was onto you. I think you took the risk. You said it yourself. I am an influential player. I made it clear that I was on your trail. So you buy yourself a few days so you can kill a few more villagers, and then go out in a blaze of glory when I out one of your packmates making it obvious your cover was going to be blown.

So it does! AOK the wolf needs to get lynched today, no doubt about it.

This is not terribly convincing. You need some colors and large sized font or something.

Why waste a scan on me at all, AOK? If you really are still unsure, and you really are in contact with a Seer, and I -am- being played by my contact, then you must know that hunting me will be that packs first priority. They cannot afford the names of my contacts to leak out, as they are obviously wolves according to that theory.
In fact, regardless of the truth, I am 100% sure that I will not survive this deadline. Scanning me is pointless.

Thank you. Now maybe my Seer will listen to me and scan someone else. But as of now, he is scanning you.

I am telling the truth. Randy is lying or being played. Tres is a wolf. Lynch him on order of the Justice League.

 

[AOK. 11]

edit: And that, my friends, is why you need to believe me. A wolf would -not- sacrifice himself for a single packmate like I am doing right now. That I guarantee you.

Of course not. But he would go kamikaze if he told a bad lie and saw that it was going to blown up in his face. You are dead and you knew that once I was officially JL and outing your packmate. So, you had no choice. You went for it.

On the other hand, would I really do a god damned fake outing with no confirmation that I had been scanned? Really? Sorry folks. Randy is BSing. He told a lie, got caught, and is now trying to drag me down with him.

 

[drxav]

Oh dear you guys are really having it now.

Ok, let's use our brains. As I already told you Randy I only look down at votes. Now what do we have here.

AOK claims Trespoe is a wolf. Right away Trespoe claims its a fake, then Randy steps in and claims to be JL. What are we left with? Obviously 2 people are de facto working together against one. Trespoe has lynched EUROO and voted Adamus yesterday. Randy campaigned hard to get Adamus lynched but in the end lynched Boris yesterday. So they didn't work together yesterday had they been packmates. Trespoe could very well being defending himself right now.

Both of you make compelling arguments. I'm leaning towards Randy though.

 

[AOK. 11]

They are using you, drxav. Or you are one of them.

All villagers must help me.

 

[drxav]

Both of you are just making arguments, I only look down at votes. And both your votes are suspicious. Trespoe is suspicious as well. I don't bite for shiny giant colourful letters that say JL. I just look down at facts, and I reckon we should all do the same. I'll wait and see how the votes evolve, I'm sure at least one wolf will make his move towards one of you (if he hasn't already done it ---> Randy). We're down to 8 vs 4 wolves.

Such a premature fake outing is purely suicide, for if it succeeds it'll get 2 more villagers down (6 vs 4), but without a doubt give away a wolf. The seer still being around and having had 4 scans, he will have constituted an at least 4 men strong pack. That leads to a 4 vs 4 with 2 villagers to convince. The fake JL wolf being outed, it'll lead to a 5 vs 3 after tomorrow is passed and the wolves hunt one more guy. At this point JL is strong enough to just kill everyone without discrimination.

I'm pretty sure the wolves thought about that and their only chance now is to diminish the JL as much as possible.

So we got either:

1- AOK being JL and Randy faking it to get us to kill a JL and save a packmate.

2- AOK being suicidal and Randy saving a villager.

Their votes are clearly inconclusive and could be the handiwork of wolves. So our bet is at this: is AOK stupid enough to risk his life on this, or is he a genius enough to risk his life at this? Is Randy a courageous villager risking to be hunted to save a villager, or is he a scared wolf trying to save a packmate?

Either case the wolves are in a peculiar position. Would the wolves risk it on their own, or would they be forced into this by a JL outing?

I suppose the wolves knew from the begining they had to set stones sending JL PMs to villagers. Both of you could be fooled thus. Are they that smart?


I'll have to sleep on that. Last time I hastily followed a JL outing I lynched a villager. I'll tread carefully this time.

 

[Boris ze Spider]

*Glances up, continues cleaning pool

 

[trespoe]

I am telling the truth. Randy is lying or being played. Tres is a wolf. Lynch him on order of the Justice League.

But I have never done a fake outing for EXACTLY THIS REASON. I have never fought an outing or did one. All those that have played with me ought to know better. Trust me, or the pathological liar that is AOK. Do I need to bring up the Baby game? AOK lies like a Persian rug.

This is a FAKE outing on me, and I will trust Randakar and his sources.

My vote stays on AOK the outed wolf.

 

[trespoe]

Both of you are just making arguments, I only look down at votes. And both your votes are suspicious. Trespoe is suspicious as well. I don't bite for shiny giant colourful letters that say JL. I just look down at facts, and I reckon we should all do the same. I'll wait and see how the votes evolve, I'm sure at least one wolf will make his move towards one of you (if he hasn't already done it ---> Randy). We're down to 8 vs 4 wolves.

Such a premature fake outing is purely suicide, for if it succeeds it'll get 2 more villagers down (6 vs 4), but without a doubt give away a wolf. The seer still being around and having had 4 scans, he will have constituted an at least 4 men strong pack. That leads to a 4 vs 4 with 2 villagers to convince. The fake JL wolf being outed, it'll lead to a 5 vs 3 after tomorrow is passed and the wolves hunt one more guy. At this point JL is strong enough to just kill everyone without discrimination.

I'm pretty sure the wolves thought about that and their only chance now is to diminish the JL as much as possible.

So we got either:

1- AOK being JL and Randy faking it to get us to kill a JL and save a packmate.

2- AOK being suicidal and Randy saving a villager.

Their votes are clearly inconclusive and could be the handiwork of wolves. So our bet is at this: is AOK stupid enough to risk his life on this, or is he a genius enough to risk his life at this? Is Randy a courageous villager risking to be hunted to save a villager, or is he a scared wolf trying to save a packmate?

Either case the wolves are in a peculiar position. Would the wolves risk it on their own, or would they be forced into this by a JL outing?

I suppose the wolves knew from the begining they had to set stones sending JL PMs to villagers. Both of you could be fooled thus. Are they that smart?


I'll have to sleep on that. Last time I hastily followed a JL outing I lynched a villager. I'll tread carefully this time.

Either direction this goes today the village will have some choices. As AOK is a wolf, this makes the last hour yesterday look very interesting. Either AOK was trying to save Adamus, or as you suspected the wolves were trying to hang three villagers. I mentioned to Randakar that the seer should scan Adamus as that would clear up a few players (dirkje, Rysz) if he is a wolf but if Adamus is a villager your theory falls into play, and possibly Rysz, hipp0, and others were trying for a tie.

I shall be scanned tonight but I would prefer if the seer scanned Adamus to get that info the village needs. AOK's pack will be blown up at that point.