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So these are all my PM's that mattered. The last one made it obvious that reis wasn't a wolf, but I wasn't in the mood to do anything about it after his ridiculous accusations.

And therefore you have no moral to complain. And I reiterate, I was the most unlikely wolf at that point. That you refused to see that, and refused to share important information (not alone in that, why the hell did Glio not come public with the SA result) only made you a more likely wolf.

I'm also very intrigued about the workings of the JL in this game.

Edit: Nevermind, already read Kiwi's PM's. Amazing that you never considered sharing them.

I like how, at the end, Reis didn't guess any of the baddies. :p Congrats to Tamius and Cliges! I believe that makes me winner of two WWs.

Well, after noting the error in my ways, I knew Aedan wasn't BS'ing me. Cliges was already suspected due to having contacted me. Aedan's cooperation with Von_Rund, blindingly obvious for everyone to see, muddied things up, though. And yes, I thought Aedan used Cliges as a diverson to divide any possibly last minute votes.

Still, well played. You played your cards right while the village made fools out of themselves. Shame about the problem with the werewolf hunt not being blocked... but errare humanum est.
 
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I like how, at the end, Reis didn't guess any of the baddies. :p Congrats to Tamius and Cliges! I believe that makes me winner of two WWs.

Five here.

That ends a dry spell of WW big wins since...May? June? Been awhile.

Ends my streak of defeats that has lasted since mid-Sept. 2012 - nearly a year and a half, and my first go as any kind of baddie for more than a year.

I was somewhat annoyed when I got the PM from the GM saying I had joined the werewolves, though; I was planning on running up GUG the next day!

And therefore you have no moral to complain. And I reiterate, I was the most unlikely wolf at that point. That you refused to see that, and refused to share important information (not alone in that, why the hell did Glio not come public with the SA result) only made you a more likely wolf.

I'm also very intrigued about the workings of the JL in this game. What kind of coordination did Kiwi set up?

I contacted him when he asked for people with in-command traits.

He didn't set me up with anyone else.

To Daffius: In this game, after I got turned and got over how it seemed unwinnable - it was actually possible - I really felt like I was pulling all the strings in the game, a feeling I've never before had in Werewolf. Excellent stuff.
 
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I'll go into details later when I have time, but for now I would like to apologise to Ithvan for shamelessly slandering his skills to take advantage of him as a fall guy :p He never attempted to contact me; obviously it was Tonka who gave me info on that pack.
 
This shit doesn't work on me.
What, reversed psychology?

EDIT: was I hunted because I demoted tamius to the suspect list or was I too obvious a goodie again or something else?
 
I'll never win a WW. :(

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Also, Daffius deserves recognition for this game.

Thanks, Daffius.
He does, thanks Daffius!

I had my doubts about some of the rules but in the end it turned out a pretty balanced game.
 
This was a good game, slip up from the GM on one night or not. There was some creative and interesting usage of role/trait combos. Not necessarily keepers as they won't always work out like this, but they provided a nice variation.

When I got innkeeper with lover I thought I had a nice cushy role - until Tonka told me he was a wolf. We'd have to wipe out pretty much the whole village to win. I figured we may as well give it a shot, so I set about planning what we'd need to kill every other player without getting hit ourselves.

Essentially, we'd need to make ourselves immune from hunt and lynch. Innkeeper would of course give me lynch immunity. My plan right from the get go was to use it to be the centre of the circus, from which I could manipulate the village to my ends by making it think it was winning. I would have preferred it to come out a couple of days later than day one to minimise the hard leg of the game, but if you guys wanted to speed me on my way who am I to refuse? To protect Tonka from the lynch I'd have to install him at the very centre of the JL, where he'd be beyond reproach. Falc dying was a massive boon in this regard. Initially I thought I'd have Tonka play the role of seer's apprentice, but then saw there was no apprentice in the rule set. Then when I saw the number of seerish powered (and witness) players, I went with getting one of the many seerish powers players to use their scan to fish for Omega pack, get Alpha pack to kill the seerish powered player, and claim that their seerish powers had been used on Tonka the "witness". The priest could just scan Tonka, no hassle. And later on in the game, I could use Tonka's "witness" to out either Ithvan or Sexytoes - who unfortunately got lynched immediately.

That left the hunts. I had flirted with the idea of exploiting the medic and knowledge of the alpha wolf to get fully "in" with the alphas, but reis messed it up by saying that could happen and no one claimed medic anyway. And besides, I figured that I may as well stay a genuine villager, to fool any nosy seerish power scanners. Tonka could of course directly influence his own pack's orders, but we'd need to give them and the village reason to not worry that I wasn't getting hunted, by making it seem there were more natural options for the Alpha's to pursue. The best way was to have one story for both the wolves and JL, and the best story for that was that the Alpha's thought they were in the inner circle of the JL. They were, after all :D And so of course with their inside knowledge they'd go for the other pack or protectors or scanners, not a mere pawn in their scheme like me. Ithvan was my fall guy, though I was extremely selective with who I used that with to guard against cursed or cultists getting it back to him - or misguided attempts by JL members to join the party. To the JL he'd be a nameless wolf infiltrator who'd screwed up without realising I was toying with him; and he'd not have done the slightest thing in reality :D Though I must admit the one thing I executed poorly was alluding to how he'd messed up, and how I'd guessed his hunt night. I was relying on my iron clad "innocence" a little more than I was comfortable with that.

Which just left the other pack's hunts. I know the GM mentioned a few times that the wolves were too focussed on each other, but it was utterly vital that Tonka and I wipe out the Omega's at the earliest possible opportunity to have any chance at all. It would remove the possibility of a fluke hunt on Tonka :)(), and give us total control of both day and night. Unfortunately we didn't get the chance. It had always been a long shot, but Tonka and I gave it our best.

I had thought about what would happen if one of us did die, which given we'd need at least a week was always on the cards. What I ended up doing was setting up a genuine JL, with genuine backup plans upon my death, so that it would be completely up to them to decide whether to trust my structures. There's no lie better than the truth after all, so I may as well do things properly. If pjnlsn and SPLIT had trusted aedan, they could have produced that PM I sent him which they were BCCd in on as proof and set up a strong JL. Albeit probably with deep trust issues. To ease that a little, I gave aedan the name of Ithvan. It would give him reason to think I'd be honest, and give him the blessed trait to embolden him to front publicly. Which he didn't until far too late, sadly. I don't know how much pjnlsn, SPLIT and aedan interacted, although at least the guy who'd seerish scanned him, von_Rundstedt, stuck with him.

But far from favouring the village, killing Ithvan would wipe out the Alphas, remove the whole lover subplot totally, and leave it an even JL vs Omega battle. Which was lost by some slightly dense neutral villagers who couldn't recognise a JL if it poked them in the eyes, if it wasn't waving big green letters :p
 
The problem was No one besides von_Rundstedt ever contacted me, and I had no idea who from your list was trustworthy and which roles really existed. Your lover trait threw me for a loop, and I only trusted most of it after I killed Ithvan. However the no hunt made me decide not to go public anyways. I was afraid I had been hunted and my blessed had been used up immediately, so I didn't want that risk with only a GA to protect me. Also the fact no one even tried to contact me freaked me out, since I couldn't help but think the BCCed people would try to talk to me wolf or not. I didn't want to contact one of them randomly, since they might be a baddie, as proven by Euro, but I didn't know why they didn't try to talk about it. I ended up deciding the whole thing was a sham, and no one else had actually been BCCed. I tried to keep them alive, why I tried to save Euro one day, but I figured none of them had any idea who I was.

As far as the wolves go, Cliges was my main guess for sorc, but it was hardly a concrete thing, and not my focus anyhow. Him outing himself, didn't change much. Looking at the vote count near the end, I figured out GUG was a wolf, since he was joining the JL band wagon on reis without comment. That kind of casualness on such an important day was pretty wolfish, but it was lost in the meaningless battle between reis and I, and I didn't pursue it mostly out of spite. Tamius was completely below my radar until glio told me he was his soulmate. I figured one of them had to be a cursed, but neither of them seemed wolfish, so I never really thought about going after them.

Finally, what the heck was up with SPLIT's 'outing' of reis? I may have been more believing of reis if SPLIT hadn't done that, though even by that point I was pretty set on reis. Still it strikes me as weird and rather counter productive.
 
But far from favouring the village, killing Ithvan would wipe out the Alphas, remove the whole lover subplot totally, and leave it an even JL vs Omega battle. Which was lost by some slightly dense neutral villagers who couldn't recognise a JL if it poked them in the eyes, if it wasn't waving big green letters :p

Given what the JL (here assumed to be Von_Rund and Aedan, for the most part) was actually doing (basically getting every innocent killed), and the early Seer death basically opening it up to all kinds of infiltration, it really could not be relied upon.

The no-hunt was annoying. It made me suspect Aedan even more, since I thought it likely that he would have been made aware. The lack of werewolf hunter outing also made me more intrigued. All in all, I had very little solid information to go on, most of it being behavioral analysis (which obviously does not and will never work on Split :)). Oh, and I also had a superb alibi that got pretty much ignored, which was the breaking of the triple tie in Day 1, with no baddies involved in it. There's no reasonable explanation that accounts for both that and myself being a baddie.

I'll end with an advice I sometimes forget myself, which is that more important than being honest is looking honest. The village ultimately lost because most of us looked less honest than the wolves.

PS: Don't ask someone publicly in the thread to get in contact with you as Von_Rund did. You can use the personal profile page (not completely safe, but still more discrete), for example. People tend to find that suspicious.