Werewolf Micro XIV

[RB33]

Again. If someone justly points out the mistakes you have made, and your only response is well that's rude. Then you are the one behaving with no respect to the community and it is right for the community to reject you.

You're the ones incapable of respecting others.
You don't treat others like you do, you should know that.
You're completely overreacting,
What did I do to deserve you behaving like that?
Now, instead of trying again, now that we know what to do, you're impossible.

 

[EUROO7]

You're being trolled, people. Stop feeding it.

 

[RB33]

You're being trolled, people. Stop feeding it.

No, i'm not. I only wanted to have a game. You overreact and behave ridiculous. Really, why?
What did I do to deserve this?
I'm just trying to have a game.
And you just come in claiming it has failed because I did a mistake.
You don't have to do that. It's rude.

 

[Gorganslayer]

you are showing no insight, no responsibility for your actions, no effort to fix your mistakes, blaming it on the community and being disrespectful, so yes i think its perfectly reasonable to ostracise you, if your going to be that self-absorbed. most of that Micro is people trying to help you fix the problem and you refusing to do.

 

[RB33]

you are showing no insight, no responsibility for your actions, no effort to fix your mistakes, blaming it on the community and being disrespectful, so yes i think its perfectly reasonable to ostracise you, if your going to be that self-absorbed. most of that Micro is people trying to help you fix the problem and you refusing to do.

I did what you asked. What more can I do? I did fix my mistake. What are you talking about?
You complain, I do as you ask, then you complain again and now you're blaming me.
I'm not being disrespectful. You're being disrespectful.
You come in, not being part of the game and start complaining and say it has failed.
How is that not disrespectful?
I did fix it. You asked for a hunt, I did a hunt and yet you complain.

 

[RB33]

How hard does it have to be to have a fun and friendly game without you ruining it?
You should have given me a chance and let me play it out. Then we could have restarted.
This was all unnecessary and stupid.

 

[k-59]

You're being trolled, people. Stop feeding it.

This is the only reasonable conclusion. It's one thing when I make a meal of insulting tonka, then most people just take a step back and say "yes tonka isn't the best player, but k-59 is being kinda of a jerk about it." With RB everyone is saying the same things I do, except I'm one of the nicer ones.

 

[RB33]

This is the only reasonable conclusion. It's one thing when I make a meal of insulting tonka, then most people just take a step back and say "yes tonka isn't the best player, but k-59 is being kinda of a jerk about it." With RB everyone is saying the same things I do, except I'm one of the nicer ones.

How am I trolling you? You're the one overreacting, making a big deal out of it, calling it a failure without giving it a chance.

I don't see why it's so hard to behave better than you are.

Well, this was terrible. I'm going to go now. I hope this doesn't happen again, because it was not fun.

 

[Lemeard]

This is the only reasonable conclusion. It's one thing when I make a meal of insulting tonka, then most people just take a step back and say "yes tonka isn't the best player, but k-59 is being kinda of a jerk about it." With RB everyone is saying the same things I do, except I'm one of the nicer ones.

"K-59" and "nice" have never before appeared in the same context without a "not" in front of the "nice."

 

[Wagonlitz]

I could run an invitational Micro XV if people were interested.

I would be open for that.

I did fix it. You asked for a hunt, I did a hunt and yet you complain.

The hunt came really late; and more importantly the hunt shouldn't have been since the order came too late. Instead it should have been a no hunt as you had been told already.

 

[Daffius]

Mistake a day = incompetence

A mistake a day in a 2 day game does equal incompetence, yes. That's 50% of the game span... just sayin.

Then again I don't think it would have been such a big deal if you didn't blow it up saying everyone is attacking you. How many times have you heard the phrase hack GM before? Everyone gets it for silly/big mistakes, however noone goes around feeling all insulted about it. Post a repost if you want or just ignore it.

I'm kind of feeling your pain though, I also felt some of these comments as attacks before. However if you look closely these "rude" banters are half the fun in werewolf. If everyone got offended that has been called; incompetent or a noob before, we wouldn't have a community. Expecting to change the behaviour of the community rarely works though and definately not through being offended and calling everyone rude (yes, you have virtually argued with everyone that has posted here).



I'm in for an invitation only game (if I'm invited of course). Otherwise that is an absolutely horrible idea. BTW do we need 2 days for it? Can't we do it shorter? Say D1 deadline 20:00GMT and D2 deadline 24:00GMT. If anyone signs up you can have plenty of time for discussion then.

 

[Jacksonian Missionary]

I'm in for invite only

But seriously RB, take responsibility for once

 

[Wagonlitz]

BTW do we need 2 days for it? Can't we do it shorter? Say D1 deadline 20:00GMT and D2 deadline 24:00GMT. If anyone signs up you can have plenty of time for discussion then.

That might actually be a good idea since it probably will lead to more activity. Have signups and the entire game take place on the same night.

 

[Falc]

Look, RB, the truth is that you handled this the wrong way. Accept that and learn from it. There's a lot of annoying naysaying going on here, and this is quickly devolving into a flamefest on both sides. So do try to get something positive out of it.

It's not always easy to GM in the face of player errors or mistakes, but it's in those circumstances that you need to be the strictest. Take the rules and use them to support yourself. Either the rules will fall apart, in which case you do have only yourself to blame, or they will give you enough solid ground to stand on and make a stand.

Health, the wolf, did not send in a hunt order.

This is after I even asked for, and got, the correct sequence of events for the game.

Meaning he only had himself to blame if there was no hunt.


BUT


You really needed to tell everyone there was no hunt.

Worst of all, this is your first reaction when it's pointed out:

Tomorrow. This was Day 1, hunt is on Day 2.

Well, there probably was supposed to be. I misread the rules.

Which, looking back on things, can mean two things:

A) you had indeed lost track of time and the fact you had no hunt order, confirmed your erroneous suspicions

B) you lied to everyone trying to cover for someone else's mistake


The first one is bad but just a mistake, the second one is a lot worse.

So which was it?

 

[Falc]

That might actually be a good idea since it probably will lead to more activity. Have signups and the entire game take place on the same night.

That should work out fine... But I'm wondering then if it might not be better to just do it on IRC?

 

[RB33]

I'm in for invite only

But seriously RB, take responsibility for once

How am I not taking resposibility by doing what you're asking?

 

[RB33]

A mistake a day in a 2 day game does equal incompetence, yes. That's 50% of the game span... just sayin.

Then again I don't think it would have been such a big deal if you didn't blow it up saying everyone is attacking you. How many times have you heard the phrase hack GM before? Everyone gets it for silly/big mistakes, however noone goes around feeling all insulted about it. Post a repost if you want or just ignore it.

I'm kind of feeling your pain though, I also felt some of these comments as attacks before. However if you look closely these "rude" banters are half the fun in werewolf. If everyone got offended that has been called; incompetent or a noob before, we wouldn't have a community. Expecting to change the behaviour of the community rarely works though and definately not through being offended and calling everyone rude (yes, you have virtually argued with everyone that has posted here).

I believe this community would be larger if you were more friendly and not so rude. You might not think it's fun to play this game when you're acting like you do.
But I guess you find it acceptable to behave unfriendly and rude against people. Not giving them a chance.

I'm in for an invitation only game (if I'm invited of course). Otherwise that is an absolutely horrible idea. BTW do we need 2 days for it? Can't we do it shorter? Say D1 deadline 20:00GMT and D2 deadline 24:00GMT. If anyone signs up you can have plenty of time for discussion then.

Yeah, that's an better idea. The game is not that good.

 

[Wagonlitz]

That should work out fine... But I'm wondering then if it might not be better to just do it on IRC?

With there being no cooldown for forum posts anymore I don't see IRC having any advantage over the forum.

 

[RB33]

Look, RB, the truth is that you handled this the wrong way. Accept that and learn from it. There's a lot of annoying naysaying going on here, and this is quickly devolving into a flamefest on both sides. So do try to get something positive out of it.

It's not always easy to GM in the face of player errors or mistakes, but it's in those circumstances that you need to be the strictest. Take the rules and use them to support yourself. Either the rules will fall apart, in which case you do have only yourself to blame, or they will give you enough solid ground to stand on and make a stand.

Health, the wolf, did not send in a hunt order.

This is after I even asked for, and got, the correct sequence of events for the game.

Meaning he only had himself to blame if there was no hunt.


BUT


You really needed to tell everyone there was no hunt.

Worst of all, this is your first reaction when it's pointed out:



Which, looking back on things, can mean two things:

A) you had indeed lost track of time and the fact you had no hunt order, confirmed your erroneous suspicions

B) you lied to everyone trying to cover for someone else's mistake


The first one is bad but just a mistake, the second one is a lot worse.

So which was it?

I didn't think I should have told you that I hadn't recivied a hunt order. Apparently, I should have.
I simply thought Night 2 was Day 2, that was all. It was never anything more from my part.
I wanted to keep it that way, because that was what I had planned.
You kept insisting you wanted a hunt, so I stopped being stubborn and gave it to you.
You should be able to have a game without people overreacting the way you did.
Let us play the game and have fun instead.

 

[LatinKaiser]

I don't really see the point of this argument. How about we just forget about this game and not let newbs GM games (did we learn nothing from bro's Big?).