I'm not talking about power. I'm talking about versatility. Cybernetics is very much a one trick pony while the genetics open open up massive new avenues.
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Question:
Will the mechanical ascention be a species/race right? I am thinking about a nasty empire, with caste systems, where only the Chosen are allowed to Ascend, inferior races doomed to be in perpetual slavery. Doable?
Will the mechanical ascention be a species/race right? I am thinking about a nasty empire, with caste systems, where only the Chosen are allowed to Ascend, inferior races doomed to be in perpetual slavery. Doable?
You're right (it sure seems that way, but then again, everything we see is WIP, so that might be removed in the release version for all we know) which is a pretty big nerf considering you can now take the "not so bad" negative traits to get more points. But on the other side of the coin, there has to be a limit. Otherwise you could just cheese the "not so bad" negative traits to get an insane amount of points for basically free and get all the REALLY REALLY good traits.
Yes But isn't Robotic/Mechanical THE best species trait in the game tho? i mean...
It's GOOD
(along with immortality)
Events: People resisting the ascension?
Factions?
Could we have factions, once you get to a certain tech level, which would push you to take the cyber path or the biological one? maybe even start a civil war about the future of the species? Or some events leading up to those decision.
Factions?
Could we have factions, once you get to a certain tech level, which would push you to take the cyber path or the biological one? maybe even start a civil war about the future of the species? Or some events leading up to those decision.
Mechanical ascension seems ... lame.
Why do they still cling to chain their minds to the feeble humanoid form?
Why do they still cling to chain their minds to the feeble humanoid form?
One would hope there's events for that since there's events for other species in your empire to psionically awaken once you complete the psionic ascension.
Will there be a difference between your newly robotised pops and existing robot pops?
Or will existing robots in your empire become primary pop culture?
If the later, would other robots in other empires be considered your primary pop as well?
Yes But isn't Robotic/Mechanical THE best species trait in the game tho? i mean...
It's GOOD
(along with immortality)
Noone doubts, that this is good, but you can already get all this stuff WITHOUT wasting 2 Ascension Perks.
Even If you ascended biologically, you can build Synths, the only thing you will gain are immortal Leaders.
And to be honest, would you have rather 1 mediocre Leader that is immortal or 1 Leader that is awesome, but dies somehow just to be replaced by another Leader that is also awesome? (psi gives +10% research speed to scientists... ABOVE spark of genius... your scientists will be better than the curator ones )
Hmm, what happened with "Leadership - Androids allowed" policy? You can have synth leaders without ascension perks.
I guess one of the main gains is the ability to colonize... everywhere. You can grow at a much more exponential rate than organics can (or, at least with a lot less effort since for them it would take micromanaging multiple species or sub species (which could lead to other problems) and maybe robots have new traits too? we don't know.
EDIT: I guess when i think about it. Less micro is one of the main gains. Since you can micro organics to be good at specific things (even better than synths at some things with the new traits) but synths are just overall really good at whatever you ask them to do.
Thinking about it, I think the synth path ought to get some sort of little extra alongside changing the entire species to robots. That seems just a bit lame if it's just that all by itself. I mean, being a robot is cool and all but what else will we get out of our obsession for synthetic bodies? Will we be able to build ourselves into monstrous war machines? How will this factor into populating worlds? Robots could technically inhabit any planet with the right technology, even barren uninhabitable ones. Will we be able to mess with our robotic bodies and add/remove traits like in the biological path? (obviously to a lesser extent, but it would make sense to be able to specialize certain robot populations)
Of course, but they were not immortal... until now (maybe). Now its the only thing Materialists have over anything else, since Android Citizen Rights are locked to them.
I dont know how that isnt clear. Taken from Dev Diary #56 Ascension Perks
You already could cheese it in race creation and pick up the good traits later, but I find there is not really very many "Not so bad" negative traits in the game, Sedentary is the only one I can think of that certainly will not hurt you at any stage of the game and any strategy, while there are a few others that are also free picks based on your circumstances (Weak, Slow Breeders, Decadent, Nonadaptive, etc), but there is not really that many.
If anything, after thinking about it, I kind of feel that the trait pick limit is a solution searching for a problem, even my best attempt to cheese, assuming unlimited trait picks and caste systems, I never get more than 10 traits total. For example, a ruler caste with Venerable, Charismatic (Not in the trait description, but you get a relations bonus to all species), Resilient (Militia troops are always the ruling species), Strong (Kind of meh, but also buffs militia and gives you more flexibility in recruiting infantry), Nonadaptive, Sedentary, and Slow Breeders.
I find the trait pick limit will primarily hurt attempts to make all-rounder species with a lot of low-cost positive traits.
I completely missed that, thanks.
Personally I love all of the ascension paths, I think they're actually pretty well balanced.
For me my favorite will probably be Synthetic Ascension since I love to play Tech heavy empires. I think that one significant advantage of the Synthetic Ascension is that you can effectively "feed" your populations by using a Dyson Sphere.
I know some people won't always get the perk for Megastructures but for people like me who will, it will be pretty fantastic synergy. Not to mention that Orbital Habitats are really good for Science and Energy, you could conceivably build energy farms in space which would be extremely productive given your synthetics +20% to everything.
I'm glad that I'm so torn between the different paths though, I can really see a benefit to everything and no one path seems obviously superior to the other which is nice.
For me my favorite will probably be Synthetic Ascension since I love to play Tech heavy empires. I think that one significant advantage of the Synthetic Ascension is that you can effectively "feed" your populations by using a Dyson Sphere.
I know some people won't always get the perk for Megastructures but for people like me who will, it will be pretty fantastic synergy. Not to mention that Orbital Habitats are really good for Science and Energy, you could conceivably build energy farms in space which would be extremely productive given your synthetics +20% to everything.
I'm glad that I'm so torn between the different paths though, I can really see a benefit to everything and no one path seems obviously superior to the other which is nice.
I'd love to see robots get new traits, like bio ascension does, and how hive minds have unique civics.
Who's to say we couldn't use super-science to adjust those orbital properties?
