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Their 47mm AT gun might have better chance at that than the HE only howitzer ...
This is dependent on a lot of variables. Let's start by establishing that whatever killed that Sherman, hit it in the side. Now:
According to various sources, the 47 mm SA 35 would penetrate roughly 53-mm of steel plate at 100 meters distance. This drops to 45-mm out to 800 meters. We can't tell how far out that shot was made, so let's just assume worst case for the American tank.
I used to have sources regarding the steel quality of French testing plates and such, but I heavily doubt that the game is so detailed with regards to steel quality, ballistic slope, etc.
The M4A1 Sherman shown in the video has a 30-mm side hull, and American cast armor was known to be 15 to 20% inferior in terms of resistance to rolled armor, at least until the later production runs. Since the M4A1s in the video are of the earlier production runs, they have this terribly flawed armor.
So, yes. From the side, these French guns will mulch an early production M4A1 at any appreciable distance. The front is another story; but against these early production M4A1s, it might still be possible.
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Correction, the previous values I presented were assuming APCR ammunition. The typical armor piercing capped round will penetrate a maximum of 39-mm at 100 meters, and this drops as the range gets greater. It still probably could from the sides, but the front is pretty much out of the question.
The SA.35 47mm AT gun was a fairly good gun by 1940 standards ... but it was obsolete in 1944.
Against a Sherman, I wouldn't bet on it, yet against light tank & armored car, it can still do wonder ...
Bring a Stuart against a B1 bis, and you'll see that the old man still has what it takes.
Against a Sherman, I wouldn't bet on it, yet against light tank & armored car, it can still do wonder ...
Bring a Stuart against a B1 bis, and you'll see that the old man still has what it takes.
love the music, the game is looking great! Thumbs up for community management and marketing.
According to various wartime reports of action in the Western Front, the majority of Allied tanks being penetrated by gunfire were done so from the side. In fact, there's an interesting document from the Canadians that I have, if you'd like me to post it, showing an examination of sample tanks that were knocked out during the Normandy campaign.The SA.35 47mm AT gun was a fairly good gun by 1940 standards ... but it was obsolete in 1944.
Against a Sherman, I wouldn't bet on it, yet against light tank & armored car, it can still do wonder ...
Bring a Stuart against a B1 bis, and you'll see that the old man still has what it takes.
So, really, the SA.35 isn't the best gun, but in a pinch? You could do worse.
Nice trailer...
Sorta wish more of the FRONTLINE feature was displayed. Also, when panned out, the units are a bit blobbish...
None the less... looks great!
Sorta wish more of the FRONTLINE feature was displayed. Also, when panned out, the units are a bit blobbish...
None the less... looks great!
That explosion animation directly transplanted from AoA looks a bit too "cinematic".Tanks don't always blow up like a huge firecracker when penetrated.
And there was a bug shown... xD
(Who finds the hugging and dragging Shermans?)
Let me ask here again:
Will we get NATO-Symbols by choice again?
(Please?)
(Who finds the hugging and dragging Shermans?)
Let me ask here again:
Will we get NATO-Symbols by choice again?
(Please?)
Although the 75mm SA35 mainly shot HE (OE Mle.1915), an APHE, the OR Mle.1910M (V°470m/s - Penetration 35mm/30° at 400m) was also used.
No APCR was developed for the 47mm SA35 (or at least no French made), the gun using APC (OR Mle.1935 - V°680m/s - Penetration 35mm/30° at 400m) and HE (OE Mle.1932)
Numbers coming from Stephane Ferrard.
But yes, the front of a Sherman, no matter the variant, would be immune to both the 75mm and 47mm of a B1 Bis, the side however would be at risk, especially at lower ranges.
As a sidenote, Brandt was developing in 1940 subcalibrated shells for the 25mm Mle.1934 and derivatives (37/25mm V°1150m/s, needing a reboring of the barrel to be shot), 37mm Mle.1916 and derivatives (37/25mm V°850m/s, same as for the 25mm), 75mm Mle.1897 and derivatives (75/57mm V°900m/s), 155mm and 203mm (the last two being naval guns).
In June 1940, the French government allowed Brandt to cede his patents and operating licenses to the USA and the UK, where they were used to develop the APDS.
Likewise another of Brandt development, the 50mm AT rifle grenade, ended as a basis for the US M9 rifle grenade.
Not to speak of Brandt mortars, evolutions of the excellent British Stokes, which ended being copied/licensed by more or less everybody.
This trailer definitely focuses on tanks. But does show infantry running in loose formation with foot synchronisation. Infantry probably get 10% of the air time while tanks get 90%. This game looks like a vehicle only party. Well that may be a little negative. But enjoy the "in engine" trailer.
P.S. Thanks to madmat for redirecting me!
P.S. Thanks to madmat for redirecting me!
It's a bunch of action scenes cut together, not footage from an actual match. There's nothing here to base those assumptions on.
Graphic. This is their all in one "in a nutshell" presentation to those who might buy the game. It is intended to show what they think is the coolest stuff and probably a nutshell of a gameplay experience? It's my impression not my conclusion that infantry have taken a back seat in this trailer.