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You're not even trying to logically counter my points, nor have you ever done so. Just throw out accusation of tunneling, and trying to misconstrue the arguments. This is what a wolf does.

Also you're insinuating that I'm a villager with your posts today, when if you were a villager, you'd more likely be accusing me of being a wolf, since 50% of players who aren't you are a wolf, and a player is more likely to see someone voting for them, who they know is a villager, as a potential wolf than a potential villager. If you are a wolf on the other hand, you know I'm a villager, and fear that accusing me would only embolden me, so you try a tactic of approaching me as a fellow villager, trying to establish trust by offering it first. Classic wolf move.
At this point, you may well be a wolf, because this really isn't the mark of competent aedan I've known in WW games. I can't recall you ever tunneling before, and you're normally fairly quick to discourage similar play.

Furthermore, you're also the sort of player, in my (albeit relatively limited) experience, that would give a player the benefit of the doubt if they held their hands up and apologised for a stupid vote/accusation - such as I did earlier in this game. This time you are not letting it drop.

As for 'knowing' you're a villager, show me where I said that.


Anyway:

That being said, JCan and Arkasas fit together as packmates, since Arkasas avoided voting JCan on day two when he was in danger, and just voted Luft on both other days. Day 3 in particular it was a weak reason, invoking self preservation when he had a single vote on him. I would greatly prefer a JCan lynch today, but if I had to choose a second candidate to lynch, it'd probably be Arkasas.
Arkasas could well be a wolf, particularly due to his votes on Luft. I would not be opposed to his lynching at all. To say he 'avoided voting me' is a stretch though. He put a vote on ramius, not exactly a late one either really, and left it there.

Actually, I'm going to insist on a JCan lynch today, the day 2 count is simply too compelling to leave it otherwise. Ramius, Jcan, and JPR would the main three candidates. If we assume all three are villagers, then it would be logical to follow that the wolves would not be overly concerned about the outcome of the lynch. At least one wolf would be likely to vote someone else in such circumstances. Yet only three players didn't vote for the three main candidates, and all of them are now confirmed to be villagers. All of the wolves felt compelled to vote for the main candidates, that is weird. Unless we presume one of their number was threatened. With the seer dead, wolves are much less concerned with openly defending each other, since they can't be scanned. A four player voting bloc with no JL threat is a potent force, and wolves may think they can openly work in such circumstances. JCan being a wolf under threat is the only possibility I see to explain all the wolves voting for the main candidates on day 2. If all were villagers, all the wolves were doing was guaranteeing they'd look suspicious once it was known they were voting villagers. It was a save attempt, I'm almost sure of it.

Vote JCan
I see the events at deadline on day 2 as wolves attempting to tie up more than one villager. I know I'm a villager, and ram was a villager. Thus, the wolves weren't trying to rescue me at all by switching around.

Thus, I would look towards he who was in the running, but dropped out of contention before the end, i.e. jpr

Vote jpr

I realise the chaos and eventual count of day 2 makes my position look bad. It's hard for me to argue against that.

All I can do now is warn you, aedan, that if I'm run up and lynched, logically it will be you next.
 
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  3. Hax as chicken teriyaki sandwich
  4. Rovsea as Bhutan
  5. luftwafer as the Far East
  6. JCan as Benadryl Comfortflaps
  7. Audren as the Black Prince of Perthshire
  8. Claude LC
  9. enkhuush
  10. ramius3443 as Indochina
  11. aedan777
  12. Aramael as a very medicinal Gin and Tonic
  13. Spockyt
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  1. Health
  2. jeray2000 as Thomas Fowler
  3. Hax as chicken teriyaki sandwich
  4. Rovsea as Bhutan
  5. luftwafer as the Far East
  6. JCan as Benadryl Comfortflaps
  7. Audren EUROO7 as the Black Prince of Perthshire
  8. Claude LC
  9. enkhuush
  10. ramius3443 as Indochina
  11. aedan777
  12. Spockyt
  13. Arkasas
  14. jpr123

 
I agree, aedan should.

It's a thing. A thing that is detrimental to the village, as everyone will see if it carries on.

Much like referring to an action as being a 'classic wolf move' even if the person referring to it doesn't really believe it themselves :rolleyes:
 
I agree, aedan should.

It's a thing. A thing that is detrimental to the village, as everyone will see if it carries on.

Much like referring to an action as being a 'classic wolf move' even if the person referring to it doesn't really believe it themselves :rolleyes:
The concept of tunneling was invented by doofuses who kept acting like wolves and getting themselves lynched in every game they played. Is this the heritage you claim?
 
As for 'knowing' you're a villager, show me where I said that.
I never said you said you know I'm a villager, I said you were insinuating that I was a villager. What I said about knowing was that as a wolf you know I'm a villager.

Arkasas could well be a wolf, particularly due to his votes on Luft. I would not be opposed to his lynching at all. To say he 'avoided voting me' is a stretch though. He put a vote on ramius, not exactly a late one either really, and left it there.
Not a stretch at all, he voted Ramius after you had several votes on you and were clearly a legitimate candidate. Whether it is suspicious that he avoided voting you can be debated, but he most certainly did avoid voting you.

I see the events at deadline on day 2 as wolves attempting to tie up more than one villager. I know I'm a villager, and ram was a villager. Thus, the wolves weren't trying to rescue me at all by switching around.

Thus, I would look towards he who was in the running, but dropped out of contention before the end, i.e. jpr

Vote jpr

I realise the chaos and eventual count of day 2 makes my position look bad. It's hard for me to argue against that.

All I can do now is warn you, aedan, that if I'm run up and lynched, logically it will be you next.
Why would the wolves go to the trouble of trying to arrange the death of two vilagers with the seer dead when such a tie would move them no closer to parity? Gains them nothing but attention and blame from villagers who see suspicion in lynching two villagers in a tie. As for JPR, he got hunted, as you surely know from your wolf PM, with this being your attempt to claim innocence by pretending to forget who you hunted.

And there are two ways your final warning can be interpreted. That I'm "next" by being the next lynch target. If you're a wolf, there's no way I'd be lynched next. Conversely, if you're a villager, the wolves win so I can't be lynched. The other way your words can be interpreted is that I'm "next" as in the next player to die, which would be the player hunted. Since the wolves reach parity once a villager dies, I couldn't be hunted if you are lynched as a villager. Conversely, if you are a wolf and lynched, I would almost certainly be hunted. This is by far the most logical conlusion to reach from what you said.

Ergo, you've admitted to being a wolf who plans to hunt me if you are lynched.
 
The concept of tunneling was invented by doofuses who kept acting like wolves and getting themselves lynched in every game they played. Is this the heritage you claim?
I dunno about 'claiming the heritage', but I'm not the best or most experienced WW player, I know that much.

That said, I'd quite like to hear the opinion of others on tunneling, and it's validity.
 
Calling it now: aedan to be on the winning side as a wolf.
Vote aedan
For what, making a case on you, not giving it up just because you escaped the noose, and having counter arguments for your defense? Very compelling case.
 
For what, making a case on you, not giving it up just because you escaped the noose, and having counter arguments for your defense? Very compelling case.
You have done a very convincing job of fitting things into your narrative. An excellent job.

I know I'm a villager, and the unwavering focus of yours on me leaves me with little choice. It wouldn't make sense to let up now if you were a wolf and this close to victory, I suppose.
 
You have done a very convincing job of fitting things into your narrative. An excellent job.

I know I'm a villager, and the unwavering focus of yours on me leaves me with little choice. It wouldn't make sense to let up now if you were a wolf and this close to victory, I suppose.
You may well know you're a villager, but the rest of us do not.

If you're a villager, have a nickel's worth of advice: See yourself from the perspective of your accuser.
 
@aedan777: JCan, Arkasas, and who else?
The most obvious answer would be Jeray and Spockyt, the other voters on Ramius the day JCan was in the running. Even outside of day 2 none of those four have voted each other.
 
If you're a villager, have a nickel's worth of advice: See yourself from the perspective of your accuser.
I already have, and I you have read that I have admitted it looks bad for me considering the count on day 2. I've admitted it is difficult for me to argue against that. I've made apologies for my earlier stupidity and I immediately rectified my error, but I've faced nothing but further chastisement from aedan.

It is not inaccurate for me to accuse aedan of obsessing over me this entire game. History will show as a result of this game that tunneling is a thing and it does not help the village. It only serves wolves.
 
I'm a bit torn at the moment, on one hand aedan as usual has made some excellent arguments as to why JCan is a wolf, but I feel that JCan has rightly pointed out aedan is tunneling. aedan has been entirely focused on JCan for most of the game, very unusual for him. But then as a counter-point, I think if aedan was a wolf he would realize that he was tunneling and that that was a terrible idea that made him look guilty once JCan turned up as a villager. And I've heard aedan sells out packmates a lot, but this would be very extreme for selling out if they're both wolves. In conclusion, JCan's probably a wolf and aedan's probably just uncharacteristically tunneling. I'm going to vote JCan now.

Vote JCan


You have done a very convincing job of fitting things into your narrative. An excellent job.

I know I'm a villager, and the unwavering focus of yours on me leaves me with little choice. It wouldn't make sense to let up now if you were a wolf and this close to victory, I suppose.

JCan, repeating "I'm a villager and therefore you must be a wolf" is not going to get you anywhere. aedan's not getting lynched without good reason, you're going to have to do better. How? I'm not sure. But you're going to have to if you really are a villager and want a village win.
 
It would be nice for the other villagers to maybe try making an appearance at some stage and stop this game spiraling even further into 'the game where aedan obsesses over Jcan'.

EDIT: 'thanks' jeray