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CK2 Dev Diary #70: The Art of the East

Hi everyone!

Today I thought I’d talk a bit about the new art and music in Jade Dragon. If you’ve been following the development, you’ve probably noticed some of it already. Obviously, there are a lot of new icons, window frames and other interface bling. Most of this is the work of the inestimable Bjarne Hallberg, our main artist on Crusader Kings II.

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Tibetan Holdings

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A selection of Chinese Coats of Arms

As usual, there are also 15 new event pictures. This time, they were created by two external studios; “5518” and “Volta”. If you look carefully, you should be able to notice that the style is slightly different.

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Then there are, of course, the fantastic new portraits by Deric “Crackdtoothgrin” North, and it’s not just one set, but two! Included in Jade Dragon are both his Tibetan and Chinese portraits, and I’ve got to say I think it’s some of his finest work.

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Tibetan Portraits

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Chinese Portraits

Also included in the expansion is 10 minutes of Chinese themed music from Studio Audinity (composed by Yannick Süß and Robin Birner.) The music sounds great; check out our livestreams for a listen!

That’ll have to do it for today, stay safe!
 
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Much like how many of the existing dynasties in Europe have custom COAs, and much like how even create-a-courtiers will spawn with a certain dynasty name and associated COA (ie. if I start in 769 and become a Norman, I can create a random courtier of the House de Hauteville and they'll have the Hauteville COA, and the same for the de Normandie), there's no reason you couldn't tie certain house names to certain calligraphic seals, and hold onto the symbol-based ones as completely random arms. I mean, it's not like randomly-generated COAs always make sense now - ie. if I'm of the Skarfr dynasty, the game doesn't have a heraldic cormorant waiting for me, and if I'm of the Stafr dynasty, my arms isn't a stave, it's an axe.
 
Planet of Hats said:
Much like how many of the existing dynasties in Europe have custom COAs, and much like how even create-a-courtiers will spawn with a certain dynasty name and associated COA (ie. if I start in 769 and become a Norman, I can create a random courtier of the House de Hauteville and they'll have the Hauteville COA, and the same for the de Normandie), there's no reason you couldn't tie certain house names to certain calligraphic seals, and hold onto the symbol-based ones as completely random arms. I mean, it's not like randomly-generated COAs always make sense now - ie. if I'm of the Skarfr dynasty, the game doesn't have a heraldic cormorant waiting for me, and if I'm of the Stafr dynasty, my arms isn't a stave, it's an axe.
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I personally think the panda bear and tiger head CoAs are horrible and totally unfitting for China. Anything calligraphic related would be better. Even randomized faux-Chinese pseudo-characters from your local tattoo shop would be better to be honest.
 
Kung Fu Panda Story Pack - Will you become the Dragon Warrior?

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Meneth said:
Fun fact: One of our sprints on JD was called the Monkey King Sprint.
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What did you mainly work on in that sprint? :O
 
Thure said:
But the 100 old surnames would still be problematic because not all 'Li' are related to each other. There were many important historically 'Li' persons in history... So technically we would need multible families for them... China isn't easy to represent.
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I'd rather have the incorrect character for Li for one family (or several) than a panda as sigil. But I know that's just me.
 
raistlin_wizard said:
I'd rather have the incorrect character for Li for one family (or several) than a panda as sigil. But I know that's just me.
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I'm pretty sure if you know Chinese it would be as ugly as the House 'de Normandy' with a coat of arms with 'Windsor' on it...
 
raistlin_wizard said:
I'd rather have the incorrect character for Li for one family (or several) than a panda as sigil. But I know that's just me.
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Not just you. I totally agree about the horrendousness of the panda sigil. Though I would prefer there to be no incorrect representations of Chinese surnames, either.
 
Thure said:
I'm pretty sure if you know Chinese it would be as ugly as the House 'de Normandy' with a coat of arms with 'Windsor' on it...
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Don't we already have that, the anglosaxon kings of england use an england CoA with the rampart lion of de normandy on it.
 
TheDungen said:
Don't we already have that, the anglosaxon kings of england use an england CoA with the rampart lion of de normandy on it.
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That's not the same as litteraly WRITTEN 'Windsor' on the shield of 'de Normandy'. It's only England with a anachronistic CoA. Not really comparable to a Character of the 'Li' family with the Chinese character for 'Long' on it for exemple.
 
Thure said:
That's not the same as litteraly WRITTEN 'Windsor' on the shield of 'de Normandy'. It's only England with a anachronistic CoA. Not really comparable to a Character of the 'Li' family with the Chinese character for 'Long' on it for exemple.
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Not quite the same but a very similar situation.
 
Thure said:
That's not the same as litteraly WRITTEN 'Windsor' on the shield of 'de Normandy'. It's only England with a anachronistic CoA. Not really comparable to a Character of the 'Li' family with the Chinese character for 'Long' on it for exemple.
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Even the wrong Chinese character is still a Chinese character. When you watch a Chinese historic themed show, you see they don't put panda bears or tigers on their flags but characters. Having the wrong character is not perfect but at least the style will then be correct. It will still be annoying for Chinese speakers but you can then solve that by assigning the Chinese dynasties (all 100 or 200 of them) their own, non generic CoAs with calligraphic representations of their names. This is NOT hard, just download a calligraphic true type font (there are many available), write a script that randomizes background color, and have it generate the 100 or 200 CoAs needed. This is leagues and miles better than this terrible beer coaster style.
 
It can't be that hard to find the Chinese Characters for names, right? Chinese history for the most part is well documented.

(Besides, we're nitpicking fucking COA at this point. This sub is fucked)
 
JodelDiplom said:
If you know the name, you know the character ofc
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Yeah but there are many ways of saying the same 'pronounciation'. There is, for example, a bunch of ways of saying "ma". If you pronounce it one way, you are talking about a mother, another way, a horse, and you can use it in the end of a sentence when speaking to make a question. This example is fairly intuitive as the character for these all look similar, but for other characters they will not.
 
just_a_beaver said:
Yeah but there are many ways of saying the same 'pronounciation'. There is, for example, a bunch of ways of saying "ma". If you pronounce it one way, you are talking about a mother, another way, a horse, and you can use it in the end of a sentence when speaking to make a question. This example is fairly intuitive as the character for these all look similar, but for other characters they will not.
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妈妈骂马的嘛吗？
 
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