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Elowen gave me Dedonus's name

Vote Elowen
 
Vote Caillean
 
What a tweest!
 
Vote Euro

You know the drill, euro. ;)
 
Yeah, Caillean first, then Euro, and then whoever the seer picks up, if they're still alive by then, is the current lynch order!
So is Caillean a scanned wolf? If not, I don't see why she would get preference over Euro post-fake outing.
 
Would be nice, wouldn't it?

Is anyone capable of doing one of those coloured counts?

Let's assume for a second that she is a wolf. What does analysis tell us?
 
This was sloppy JL work, I'll admit it. In my defense, I was contacted very late and in a very unorthodox manner. Now, perhaps some wolf has used Elowen to try to sow chaos in the village and she is merely a hapless villager, like myself. It's impossible to know. What does strike me is the fact that they chose to target Dedonus. He is certainly among the more helpful villagers, but did the wolves know that he was in contact with the seer, as he claimed before we, the village, killed him?

Another question remains in Alxeu. He reached out to me this morning with some sort of inane question, I thought it might be some kind of fishing attempt to find the seer, but otherwise made no note of it.
 
URGE. TO. COMMENT. RISING.
MUST. RETAIN. CONTROL.
 
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Elowen gave me Dedonus's name

Vote Elowen
Dedonus.

^ See that ^? That is literally the first time I have ever said the name Dedonus to you. I don't think I'd have believed that you got duped into a fake outing no matter what excuse you came up with, but naming me as your source throws whatever small chance there was of that out of the window: you are a wolf.

Also, I wouldn't have passed up on the opportunity to make an outing. They seem very exciting and I've never done one.

For the moment, I am going to honor Dedonus' dying words:

Vote Caillean
 
There's other material to look at, such as people's voting activity and behavior. This isn't an exact science, but I find the actions of players, and where they fit in the vote flow, to be far more telling than hamfisted analysis of final votecounts and rigid assumptions. In any event, I wasn't making a conclusive point in that post, merely providing pushback to the serious flaws I saw in the analysis Dedonus was putting forward. I'd already made my vote and case on elowen earlier.
Oh, I definetly agree with this. I meant that there was not much behavioral info in this game and wondered if you have specific conclusions based on tells like behavior, not if you knew of tells outside of votecount analysis.
Don't be so quick to write off Euro as a goodie, he's very prone to erratic behavior, regardless of role. He absolutely is the sort to openly question an outing and vote a JL spokesperson as a wolf. He'd do the same as a villager if it struck his fancy, so it's not a wolf tell, but keep him in consideration.
Okay then, if you say Euro is a legendary beast, I'll be careful. I still like what he did, though; it doesn't benefit scum to place weird votes and then carefreely explain when explainations are requested. There could be WIFOM involved here, but that's a rabbit hole we don't need to go into. Unless he truly is a mastermind at WIFOM or the tell I'm using is too weak (that's possible), he's town.
I'm in agreement. I think a Caillean/Elowen tie would be best. Euro's also a good candidate to watch, though probably wouldn't put him into a tie today.
Right. But the opposite happened yesterday it seems lol... I assume there was a fake outing that generate this, but even considering that, shouldn't we have straight up ignored it instead of lynching a relatively towny guy (who was counting votes quite nicely!)? There certainly is something fishy in this EoD, and I'm gonna try to analyze that.
 
Re: aedan's argument and stuff.

If it can be agreed that one, but not both, of a group is evil, is it not better to spare one today? If we get the right one today, we can clear the other by proxy. Furthermore, I'd argue that there's at least two people who would make good lynch options today, besides elowen.

Euro did everything in his power to avoid voting Chieron Day 2, all the while attempting to manipulate things and being up to apparent shenanigans the entire time.

Arkasas, meanwhile, voted with Chieron onto Witch Agatha yesterday, and has also had no meaningful distancing opportunities with Chieron, Caillean, or Elowen, except for today, where he's voting Elowen.

I consider Arkasas to be the better of these two alternative candidates, by the way, even if Euro already has votes.

That being said, this endeavor shouldn't distract from the lynching of one out of Caillean/Elowen, with my preferred target of the two being Caillean, who has been around longer and broke the tie. Elowen, who is new, I am willing to give slack to.

Unvote Caillean
Vote Arkasas
So you're saying wolves piled on an inactive without really advocating vocally for his lynch? Why would they do such a thing? I don't see the benefit for wolf!Arkasas in voting with Chieron on Agatha, and am not sure I like your thought process, although that may be just because I don't understand it well.

I note you want a tie that includes Caillean, though, which is perfectly understandable.
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Dedonus the scanned werewolf is to be lynched today!


VOTE DEDONUS

... Ah. WELL THEN. Given the timing here, the most likely scenario assuming wolf!Euro is that wolf!Caillean was about to get lynched and Euro decided to hammer on a strong townie. Else, town!Euro was given fake info by wolf!Elowen:
Elowen gave me Dedonus's name

Vote Elowen
This means both Caillean and Elowen are still highly suspicious, and how they flip should determine Euro's alignment pretty well: if Elowen flips wolf, Euro is cleared, and if Caillean flips wolf, Euro is most likely wolf as well. I think we should lynch between those two (and perhaps both). That's what we should have done yesterday anyway.
Let's return to yesterday's vote.

Vote Euro
You mean... yourself? xD

Vote Caillean
 
Day 4/Night 5

Deo the commie was hung.
Agatha the commie was hunted.
Also, I may be paranoid, but seeing Agatha was town, Alxeu's post about Arkasas could be TMI: he's considering Agatha as town even though there's virtually no reason to do so.
Re: aedan's argument and stuff.

If it can be agreed that one, but not both, of a group is evil, is it not better to spare one today? If we get the right one today, we can clear the other by proxy. Furthermore, I'd argue that there's at least two people who would make good lynch options today, besides elowen.

Euro did everything in his power to avoid voting Chieron Day 2, all the while attempting to manipulate things and being up to apparent shenanigans the entire time.

Arkasas, meanwhile, voted with Chieron onto Witch Agatha yesterday, and has also had no meaningful distancing opportunities with Chieron, Caillean, or Elowen, except for today, where he's voting Elowen.

I consider Arkasas to be the better of these two alternative candidates, by the way, even if Euro already has votes.

That being said, this endeavor shouldn't distract from the lynching of one out of Caillean/Elowen, with my preferred target of the two being Caillean, who has been around longer and broke the tie. Elowen, who is new, I am willing to give slack to.

Unvote Caillean
Vote Arkasas

Summary:
Euro will be solved by the lynch of Caillean/Elowen and therefore does not need to be lynched today.
Caillean and Elowen should be lynched for the whole Panzer situation and for the sake of solving Euro.
Alxeu is slightly wolfy, although that may just be paranoia on my end.