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Therefore i think that HoI does indeed improve your ability to grasp abstract and math based issues and develop solutions to them. By trial and error and / or by implementing ideas that fit the logic behind the game mechanics.
possibly, but i would be surprised if hoi does so more than other relatively common tasks. it probably develops your pattern recognition/problem solving more than a guy who just picks up rocks and throws them at trees for 20 years straight, but probably not more more than whatever else you'd get from "randomly sampled pool of people who have never played hoi but otherwise interact with modern society normally".
 
Not going quote anyone but ...

I'm pretty sure there is some feedback between HOI4 and Maths skills. Clearly there is arithmetic involved but given that mathematics is really about pattern recognition I'm pretty sure they go together. I find my mathematical intuition is useful for understanding the innate patterns generated by the game algorithms.

The question of IQ, what it means, whether you can increase and whether HOI4 helps is perhaps a little more complex. The scientific position on IQ would be that it strongly correlates with success at tasks like playing HOI4. In terms of an individual IQ the verdict seems to be that it is maybe 60% genetic, 35% uncontrollable environmental factors and 5% controllable environmental factors in any country with a good education system. That is certainly the position in the UK, buying a really expensive education is reckoned to net you at best +2% on IQ score. The problem with this is that as you improve the nurture effects in a country the genetic element will simply get larger since everyone is getting the same nurture but the key lesson seems to be most of the gains from nurture effects are easily gained by simply providing acceptable levels of nutrition and basic schooling.

Having said that, HOI4 is probably good for practising a variety of skills required to play the game and since the underlying skills involved are valuable in other life activities. I would say it is good practice.

In terms of my IQ, I'm pretty sure it has decreased slightly since I've been playing Paradox games in general but, to be fair to Paradox, that's age related and nothing to do with their games.

As a little warning, talking about numerical IQ scores is quite risky as there are several scoring systems. The USA typically uses a standard deviation of 16 based score whereas the UK has traditional used a standard deviation of 24. It is better to describe your IQ as 3 standard deviations above average rather than 172 (I'm British) or 148. Any comment where you put numerical IQ in is somewhat ambiguous.
 
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Not at all, my brain was already galaxy sized well before I played any paradox games, but they do provide me with an easy way to lord over and flex on the poor plebs who's brains are too small to understand my genius.

(This post is sarcastic, normally I wouldn't bother pointing it out but I feel that I didn't manage to write something so absurd that someone wouldn't say it unironically)
 
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I agree. I would even go so far to say that there is some weakness in the IQ tests avaliable because if you do several different tests one after the other, you will start getting to better results each time you do one. Our brain starts to realize the systematic behind those tests. and can adapt to the task more quickly. Maybe the comparison is a little far stretched, but it's a bit like crossword puzzles. Once you have done some of them, you will get better - not only because some terms are so commonly asked for but because your 'way of thinking' gets trained at it. This does not make you a more educated person but the capabilities of abstraction do improve.
Yeah, theres tons of factors that will influence the result...

I'm software developer for 20yrs, many people regard me as "above average" inteligence, but if im tested on puzzles, i certainly get a very low score...., im just too lazy for puzzles.

This influence preference on games, i always disliked "jumping" games, like mario or donkey kong, and always liked "2d" fight games like Street Fighter or MK series.

i have easy time on understand structured things like economics, biochemistry, computer languages is a child toy to me..
but puzzles is really not for me, i just get stressed and give up.

I separate intelligence from attention, because the 2nd is what really matter in day to day life. Even learning process will be hurt if ur attention ins't ok. The attention is the first thing is hurt by a unhealty routine. If u guys research the biography of "smart guys" like Tesla or Turing, will find theyre kinda obscessed with long walks.
 
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I can't say. But I'm pretty sure frequenting the forums does have a severe negative impact. :cool:
 
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I doupt that I'm getting wiser playing HoI IV or other strategy games (chess included), but I'm sure that these games keep my brains better condition longer time in this age (I'm 75).
 
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Not at all, my brain was already galaxy sized well before I played any paradox games,....

Damn it, everyone says my brain is only the size of a planet - which always seemed plausible because my diodes do hurt. I guess I'm lucky I haven't ended up as a parking attendant.
 
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It also looks like IQ is much more influenced by quick recognition abilities than education. That's why some apes from the jungle can beat a human in it. Simply in the wilderness you need much more recognition abilities to succeed/survive than in a civilized society. So that also we can assume people from the paleolithic had actually a higher general IQ than people of today.

Also it's notable that seemingly people which lived mostly in frozen lands through generations during the paleolithic which is the vast majority of human history and also it largely overlaps with the last (biggest) ice age period seem to possess a higher average IQ than people which lived in much more friendly then-temperate areas. This also suggests that a harsh outside environment and more difficult survival can increase the average IQ after many generations (and probably works also the other way around in an easy environment like e.g. in a developed civilization).
 
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Forums are MUCH BETTER than discords.
depends on your measure for "better". for iq, probably not, because neither will provide very much benefit

forums are better for storing/referring to information/arguments/etc. discord is better to spam memes or have a conversation with a small group of people in real time (text or especially voice). they are different tools and like any other tool they are also frequently misused.
 
As someone with a high IQ, I am assuming that stands for Infinite Questions, educators have learned to pass me so I do not come back. My IA, meaning Infinite Answers, is rather low, but when I average my IQ and IA the result does not look so bad.
 
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Also it's notable that seemingly people which lived mostly in frozen lands through generations during the paleolithic which is the vast majority of human history and also it largely overlaps with the last (biggest) ice age period seem to possess a higher average IQ than people which lived in much more friendly then-temperate areas. This also suggests that a harsh outside environment and more difficult survival can increase the average IQ after many generations (and probably works also the other way around in an easy environment like e.g. in a developed civilization).
I'm sure the higher IQ of peoples living in cold conditions has nothing to do with the fact that IQ testing was invented as a way of proving racial superiority of white people. I understand that one of the best predictors for a high IQ is coming from a wealthy socio-economic background. It's time to move past static measurements of intelligence.

On whether HOI makes you smarter: being good at something (smarter with something) is just a matter of building neural pathways in your brain. As you do things more, you build more and better neural pathways. Playing HOI might make you better at tasks similar to HOI, but it will probably just make you better at HOI. I don't think it's worth us patting ourselves on the back for playing a video game. Just enjoy it for what it is.
 
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I'm sure the higher IQ of peoples living in cold conditions has nothing to do with the fact that IQ testing was invented as a way of proving racial superiority of white people. I understand that one of the best predictors for a high IQ is coming from a wealthy socio-economic background. It's time to move past static measurements of intelligence.

Wut??

You know that some jungle apes beat humans on IQ tests, regardless of pigmentation level? :)

Your racial-social explanation base is without any ground.

As a matter of fact i've known some pretty obnoxiously wealthy guys who where rather unintelligent :)
 
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U get tons of attention deficit(ADHD) if u play too much "strategy games", than no matter how high ur IQ is if your attention become weak, u will seems dumber or a "slow person" on real life, high IQ is useless when ur brain got tired.

But hoi4 is very chill like playing chess, few attention intensive compared even to older RTS/strategy titles, thanks to its design and UI.
The great offender in other games is the micromanaging, i reminded "empire earth" franchise, where u have to click on individual aircrafts to get them on carriers, lolz....
I literally can't tell if you're being sarcastic or even what to make of your post.
 
Do I think playing HoI by itself will make you pass a math test? Absolutely not
I can see a future math test...


If you have a terrain of Y what are the permutations of combat width that are most advantageous

now provide the optimal ratio of support companies vs line inf