Trial of Allegiance | Patch 1.14.1 "BOLIVAR"

[SeekTruthFromFx]

Germany and Japan 100% should be next on the priority list. These focuses are fossils compared to Italy or Finland

If this is are talking about DLCs, as @Treviranus seems to think, then strongly disagree. I have already paid for German and Japanese DLCs. Why should I be asked to pay again? And it will be a total bugfest with all kinds of corner cases if you split major content for one country across two DLC. And these two countries have already had two rounds of content (launch and rework) while the Middle East and South East Asia, which were major theatres of war, still have no content at all.

I am all in favour of War Effort patches, primarily to fix bugs but also make minor improvements to countries that have already received content. But I would be really unimpressed if Germany and Japan were the centre of another patch+DLC cycle.

 

[Kosaki MacTavish]

Tbh, as long as Southeast Asia got a proper DLC/expansion pack right after ToA, i didn't care whether it comes with a Japan rework or not.

Further War Effort patches between ToA and SEA DLC for Australia and India are sorely needed, meanwhile.

For India, the old content of Indian National Army led by Subhas Chandra Bose can be resurrected, also making Jawaharlal Nehru the leader for INC would be appropriate.

For Australia, an alternate Labour and beefed up Communist paths can spice up the game, like spreading independence sentiment in their neighbors, mainly Dutch East Indies like the IRL wartime cooperation which extended even during the Indonesian Revolution

 

[William9113]

If this is are talking about DLCs, as @Treviranus seems to think, then strongly disagree. I have already paid for German and Japanese DLCs. Why should I be asked to pay again? And it will be a total bugfest with all kinds of corner cases if you split major content for one country across two DLC. And these two countries have already had two rounds of content (launch and rework) while the Middle East and South East Asia, which were major theatres of war, still have no content at all.

I am all in favour of War Effort patches, primarily to fix bugs but also make minor improvements to countries that have already received content. But I would be really unimpressed if Germany and Japan were the centre of another patch+DLC cycle.

I really don't know and won't pretend to know how it will be monetized, but it is pretty hard to argue that the German and Japanese focus trees aren't vastly behind the standard of today.

I could go another 5 years without a Haiti/Oman/Nepal focus tree, but if the German one stays the same for 5 years the game would be very stale and uninteresting to me.

 

[MrMcQue]

I really don't know and won't pretend to know how it will be monetized, but it is pretty hard to argue that the German and Japanese focus trees aren't vastly behind the standard of today.

I could go another 5 years without a Haiti/Oman/Nepal focus tree, but if the German one stays the same for 5 years the game would be very stale and uninteresting to me.

The one difference between Japan and Germany is however that i think that the German is quite good actually. Or that it at least aged far better than the Japanese one.

Sure, i'd take more mechanics, focuses, etc. for Germany but apart from the fact that it basically gives you only two options (Hitler or Kaiser) and thus isn't that exciting from just the focuses, it's a well laid out tree that has the potential to be made worse. Not that i say that Paradox will make it worse, but if any of Germany or Japan are to be reworked, Japan is in more dire need than Germany, in my humble opinion.

 

[William9113]

The one difference between Japan and Germany is however that i think that the German is quite good actually. Or that it at least aged far better than the Japanese one.

Sure, i'd take more mechanics, focuses, etc. for Germany but apart from the fact that it basically gives you only two options (Hitler or Kaiser) and thus isn't that exciting from just the focuses, it's a well laid out tree that has the potential to be made worse. Not that i say that Paradox will make it worse, but if any of Germany or Japan are to be reworked, Japan is in more dire need than Germany, in my humble opinion.

The only thing I can think of that keeps Japan relevant is an exploit involving the fact that carrier naval bombers/cas benefit twice from their "prioritize naval aircraft production" decision. Pair this with the air production continuous focus and you're talking -60% production cost on carrier NAV's and carrier CAS (interestingly, the fact that Japan's national focus tree completes very very quickly is a sort of buff to this strategy, allowing you to take the continuous focus in 40/41 without missing any important focuses)

Germany certainly doesn't have a bad focus tree, but it's kind of bland currently. Being essentially the protagonist of this game, it's reasonable that the standard for Germany should be higher than that of Brazil, god forbid Uruguay.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

disappointed to see nothing about the controls in patch notes. not surprised by this point, but still disappointed

 

[FindFloppies]

disappointed to see nothing about the controls in patch notes. not surprised by this point, but still disappointed

controls? Explain?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

controls? Explain?

stuff like green arrows attacking enemy territory, selecting units cancelling strategic redeployment before you give the selected units any orders (???????), troops set to "aggressive" ignoring their front line entirely and attacking up to 180 degrees away from it, and the game blocking from from making a queued order like "first strat redeploy here, then march" which was possible on 2016 release.

troops aggressively ignoring orders when set to aggressive is particularly annoying because it's been in the game for years but settings other than aggressive don't work right either (like the troops stop moving when you don't want them to or won't close pockets on their actual front line). thus i have to choose between 1) manually closing the pocket or 2) aggressively attacking away from the pocket into provinces with no front line assignment at all with half my troops before closing the pocket, taking tons of casualties for no reason.

you also get ridiculous scenarios like troops switching to marching from pakistan to bengal on foot because strategic redeployment was canceled when the front line moved by a province. which again, was an introduced bug/not something we had to deal with when hoi 4 was released.

i have no idea what the game is smoking with giving orders as a consequence of selecting units but this is the only game i've ever played where that happens and it's survived multiple patches now.

 

[blahmaster6k]

Germany certainly doesn't have a bad focus tree, but it's kind of bland currently. Being essentially the protagonist of this game, it's reasonable that the standard for Germany should be higher than that of Brazil, god forbid Uruguay.

I think you mean antagonist, but yeah.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I think you mean antagonist, but yeah.

protagonist can easily be seen as correct. germany's actions are what drives the game forward on historical focuses, and thus can reasonably be described as the protagonist. in this case the perspective chosen is arbitrary; you can forcibly make the philippines the protagonist if you wc with them.

the protagonist in a story is not necessarily a good guy. in various media you occasionally see a villain in the protagonist role. it usually doesn't end well for them, though every once in a while a story does just have evil win. even then, it's not generally portrayed as a good thing, just the way that world went.

 

[William9113]

I think you mean antagonist, but yeah.

The Joker is the protagonist in his own movie. Doesn't mean I align with his values or beliefs though.

Germany works to initiate the conflict in the game for the largest amount of countries, and those countries serve to react to Germany's course of action.

 

[blahmaster6k]

the protagonist in a story is not necessarily a good guy. in various media you occasionally see a villain in the protagonist role. it usually doesn't end well for them, though every once in a while a story does just have evil win. even then, it's not generally portrayed as a good thing, just the way that world went.

True, but in common usage it's usually understood as "good guy" even if technically the word only means "main character". I digress though, you're technically right.

 

[51states]

Liked the new changes to South America, it is still odd that years into the game:

The UK never does Operation Catapult unless controlled by the player.

The 3 fascist countries in the Americas join the Axis if you pick the Treaty of Reciprocal assistance as the USA while leading the Allies which is stupid and suicidal.

 

[herr anfsim]

Does this mean that the motion of no confidence path of Norway is finally playable?

I think it largely depends on what you mean by "playable". I did a test, and the tree still seems to easily breake if not played the "right" way, in the sense that the "preparedness" desicions still become unavailable once you go to war. This means that unless you have played the "preparedness" minigame enough (have a high enough "preparedness score") prior to going to war, you will never be able to unlock the "modernize armed forces" decision, or unlock the civilian branch of the focus tree. So as far as I can see, the issue pointed out previously persists, though there is one "booby trap" less. Unless I am missing something?

As pointed out previously the fact that these "tree-breaking" issues persists seems to point at a fundamentally flawed design rather than bugs.

 

[eastcoastceojam]

There's an issue with the Brazil event that fires when Argentina goes to war with Uruguay via the "Establishing a Foothold" focus. The event fires twice in a single day, and the war support and stability penalties are massive and permanent.

Bug report is here:

Event - Argentina Makes Agressive Moves on Uruguay - wrong country and effect

Summary Event - Argentina Makes Agressive Moves on Uruguay - wrong country and effect Platform Steam Operating System Windows 11 Game Version 1.14..1 Enabled DLC All of the above Do you have mods enabled? No Description When Brasil gets the...

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[FLUX2226]

I think it largely depends on what you mean by "playable". I did a test, and the tree still seems to easily breake if not played the "right" way, in the sense that the "preparedness" desicions still become unavailable once you go to war. This means that unless you have played the "preparedness" minigame enough (have a high enough "preparedness score") prior to going to war, you will never be able to unlock the "modernize armed forces" decision, or unlock the civilian branch of the focus tree. So as far as I can see, the issue pointed out previously persists, though there is one "booby trap" less. Unless I am missing something?

Have you done some testing for the wartime army reform (because I haven't)? The way I understand the patch notes, you no longer need enough preparedness in order to modernize your armed forces once you've been at war for three months. And I'm wondering if that was done for both democratic paths, as they each have their own reform decisions and I am slightly worried that something was missed.

 

[herr anfsim]

Have you done some testing for the wartime army reform (because I haven't)? The way I understand the patch notes, you no longer need enough preparedness in order to modernize your armed forces once you've been at war for three months. And I'm wondering if that was done for both democratic paths, as they each have their own reform decisions and I am slightly worried that something was missed.

Good point. When I first tested, I conquered Sweden and Denmark, which locked me out of the preparedness descision and since my war lasted shorter than 3 months there was no way of unlocking the "modernize armed forces" decision while at peace. I reloaded and tried starting a prolonged war and the decision did become available, so my initial assessment needs to be corrected:

1. The "modernize armed forces" decision is available if you are in a prolonged war, and does not cost or require "preparedness" score.
2. However there does not seem to be any way of unlocking the decision if you have fought and won a shorter war prior to reaching a sufficient "preparedness" score.
3. Failing to reach a sufficient "preparedness" before going to war still locks you out of the civilian development branch entirely, also when at peace after a war.

Thank you for the correction. While this fix only solves parts of the problem, it does in all fairness solve more of it than I initially thought. Still, I believe points 2 and 3 above illustrates that significant "tree-breaking" issues still persists and that the solution introduced thus far is basically working around a flawed system.

 

[otjenyn]

Just got back from vacation and now got the time to review.
I am very happy with the DLC, but I am very disappointed with the Canadian 'rework'

Honestly I never expected you guys to rework an entire focustree, but there are things that dont make sense. Why can SAF and NZL have 10% commonwealth research bonus with just 1 (SAF) focus of 70 days (2 x 70 days for NZL but they also get 150 pp). While Canada (and australia) has/have to do 2x 70 days for just 8%? Please just stick with 5% for 35 days.. That would be very reasonable

There are more very questionable focuses for Canada like the one for 4 steel & 3 chromium for 70 days (Mine the Shield)..

Then there is the focus 'If Day' and boy... I dont know where to start.....
First of all it gives you another consumer goods reduction (just like 'War Bonds') but it is still mandatory in order to change to extensive conscription
By the time you can do 'If Day' you are well over a year into a war. B-lining for 'commit to the war' & 'send in the zombies' & 'Forced Quebec Conscription' is way faster and gives you acces to more manpower way way quicker (4 focuses of 70 days to finish 'Forced Quebec Conscription' vs 6 focusses of 70 days for 'If Day').
So that is the first reason it doesnt make sense.
The second reason is 'If Day' gives you consumer goods reduction. Bro after a year+ into a war you should already be at total mob or war ec. By that time 'If Day' is useless because there is no more consumer goods to reduce, specially considering 'War Bonds' already gives you a significant reduction in consumer goods which is mandatory to reach ''If Day'. And you prob already lowered the Great Depression by one stage and if you play facist/communist you can have it removed already by that point. So there is little to no justification to get even more consumer goods reductions because you already are at max....

The 'If Day' focus is useless and should be removed from the game or be given a different kind of buff to Canada. There is simply no reason to keep it. Its just a nuisance for you not to get extensive conscription, while you can get service by requirement sooner and have no benefit for the consumer goods reduction.

In reality you only shaved off about 35 days of focustime and added some buffs that only really work well lategame. Thats really nothing and considering Canada is now the faction with the biggest focustree in TFV (and is still trash, can you imagine Australia and Raj) these one or two focuses that got changed still dont justify a (high) pricepoint for TFV

 

[Carlos Burbon]

In my opinion next dlc should be about Southeast Asia or Middle East. Japan could have some small rework such as Yugoslavia in Balkan dlc.

 

[King Of Dah Norf]

Hi,

I reported this during the last patch but it still hasn't been fixed. Trotsky Norway's "Squash Dissent" still doesn't do anything (Jonas Lie is not available at all) and General Fleischer has no issues leading your armies but becoming an advisor? Nah he can't do that...

Hopefully this will be fixed since it is breaking my speedrun...

- KOTN