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Tinto Maps #14 - 9th of August 2024 - Western Africa

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Maps, the day of the week for map nerds lovers! This week we will be taking a look at Western Africa! These lands were named historically in different ways, although probably the most widespread naming was Guinea, which also names the Gulf that makes for the southern limit of the region, with the Atlantic Ocean being to the west, the Sahara desert to the north, and the lands around Lake Chad making for the approximate eastern border.

With these regions, we’re also leaving the ‘Easy Mode Map-Making’ of Project Caesar, as getting comprehensive sources of information for 1337 for most of Sub-Saharan Africa is challenging, as the traditional historical record was oral, in contrast with the written records usual in Eurasia. In any case, we did our best to depict the rich history and geography of the region and its diversity, which is stunning. Let’s start, then!

Countries:
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The most important country, and one of the world's great powers, is the Empire of Mali, which in 1337 is at its zenit, still ruled by the infamous Mansa Mūsā. It controls not only the core lands of the Mandé-speaking peoples, but also holds the overlordship over Jolof, most of the fertile Niger river basin, and some of the most important Saharan outposts. To its south-east, the Mossi are organized in several polities (Ougadagou, Gwiriko, Yatenga, Boussouma, Tenkodogo, and Liptako). South into the coast, Kong, Dagbon, Bonoman, and Mankessim are polities ruled by the Dyula, the Dagbani, and the Akan (the last two). To the east, Fada N’gourma, Borgu, and Mamprugu connect with the lands of the Hausa, which rule from several city-states: Kebbi, Gobir, Zafara, Katsina, Daura, Kano, Rano, and Zazzau. Further to the east, the Empire of Kanem rules the lands around Lake Chad from its capital in Njimi, and over some of the Saharan corridors, making it the region's second wealthiest country. And finally, further to the south, there are the lands of the Nupe, the Yoruba (Oyo, Ife, Ijebu, Owo), the Edo (Benin), and the Igbo (Nri).

Dynasties:
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The dynasties of the region are a mix of well-known ones, such as the Keita of Mali, the Ndiaye of Jolof, or the Sayfawa of Kanem, and randomly generated ones for the rest of the polities, as we don’t have good enough sources on who was ruling over most of them in 1337.

Locations:
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The locations of Western Africa. We’ve tried our best to find suitable locations, correct naming, etc., although I’m sure there might be plenty of feedback to apply.

Provinces:
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Areas:
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Terrain:
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This week we have proper Terrain mapmodes at the release of the Tinto Maps… Not much to say about them, though, as the climate and vegetation are pretty straightforward, being divided into Arid and Tropical; while the vegetation goes from desert and sparse beside the Sahara, to increasingly more forested terrain, until reaching the tropical jungles by the coast. The topography is not very fragmented, with the Guinean Highlands and the Adamawa Plateau being the most important landmarks.

Natural Harbors:
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A new map mode this week, coming from the latest Tinto Talks! There are some decent natural harbors in the region, with Banana Islands (where Freetown would be founded), Elmina, and Calabar being the best ones.

Cultures:
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A beautiful map this week… I may repeat that we tried our best to approach the region, taking into account that this was the first African region we completed, around 3 years ago. When we review it, we may add some more diversity, as we have now some more tools than the ones we had back in time, but we think that it’s way best to read your feedback first, to make sure we are on the same page.

Religions:
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Take this map as very WIP. The Sunni-Animism division is kind of accurate, with the expected division for 1337 (Islam would later on advance more to the South, but we think this is the best for this date). What we have yet to do is to divide the ‘Animism’ population into some of the regional variants; we already have plenty of data, but we also want to read your feedback on this first.

Raw Materials:
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The goods of the region are quite diverse and very dependent on the geography. In the Saharan lands, there are plenty of locations with resources such as Salt, Copper, or Alum (regarding this resource, the lands to the north of Lake Chad make for the densest Alum hub in the world for 1337, something the historical sources talk about). Livestock is king in the Sahelian lands, while there are plenty of agricultural goods in the Niger river basin. The region is also full of luxury goods, of which Gold is the most relevant, as being the biggest supply of this metal to the Mediterranean and Europe in the Late Middle Ages, while also having others such as Ivory, Gems, or Spices (which in this region are portraying some goods such as kola nuts, or malagueta pepper). Finally, the coasts of the Gulf of Guinea have plenty of Fish. Maybe the only type of good that is not very abundant in the region is metals, as having some Iron, Tin, etc., but not much in comparison with other regions.

Markets:
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Markets of the region, have an interesting distribution. The most important ones in 1337 are Niani, Kano, and Njimi, which are also connected to the Northern African markets, making it possible to get plenty of wealth by exporting well-demanded goods throughout the Sahara (for instance, exporting Gold or Alum for good money is a very viable strategy ATM). Later on, after the Age of Discovery, the coastal markets may get connected to other markets, making them more relevant, and maybe switching the power balance of the region from the North to the South, as historically happened (but take it as a ‘maybe’, not for granted, OFC!).

Population:
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Population of the region. We’ve improved a bit our tracking of the population data, to avoid further problems like the one we had with Germany. I can tell you that the total population of Western Africa is around 5.6M people, which is divided into 2.2M for the Sahel, and 3.3M for the coast of Guinea. You may very well notice that the hegemonic power here may be Mali, with around 700k people, but also that there are many more people not living under the rule of a polity, than living under it, which will make for interesting gameplay on how to deal with it (more about this in a later Tinto Talks, soon…).

And, speaking of that, I have the sad news that next Friday there is a bank holiday here in Spain, so there won’t be a Tinto Maps. The next one will be on Friday 23rd, and we will be taking a look at Eastern Africa! Until then, you may still stay tuned, as we will be replying to feedback, as usual, and we may have some informal maps incoming. Cheers!
 
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Add Bangande people in Korientzé and Sango. The area of Dogonland wasn't fully settled by the Dogon at this point although the migration was already underway. The Bangande are a great fit in for the pre-Dogon people of Bandiagara in my opinion. As for why they should be a separate culture, their language is an isolate and PC doesn't seem to shy away from small cultures if there's big enough of a distinction.

Some reading on the history of Dogonland and the Bangande.
 
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This is more modern map post Arabic and Fulani migrations but still area around Timbuktu along the river should still be more Songhai and Bambara rather than Mandinka
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arent most arabs of mali descendents of the moroccans who colonised northern mali and turned it to a vassal pashalek ? reason the north of mali today still dont like unification with south ?
so i think the arabs should still not appear yet in mass in mali till someone from the north annex it
 
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@Pavía What happened to the rivers? I checked back several of the past map threads just now, and they seem to be absent from petty much everywhere except the very first map showing the Low Countries. Is it a zoom thing, a graphical bug, or am I just blind?
You can see rivers only when you zoom in enough. Low Countries was the map of the smallest region, which is why you could see rivers there. You can see rivers also in the more zoomed in maps of Italy which were shared in replies to answers in that Tinto Maps thread, but they don't appear on the general map of Italy.
 
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When it comes to randomly generated dynasties and/or rulers, were they generated once and now are consistent for all players/games, or are they generated anew each time the game starts, from the pool of names?
Personally, I would prefer them being consistent. When there are no indication of who ruled at the time, having a fixed ruler/dynasty, even if it was randomly generated, would give a sense of stability of the game start. Afterwards, the player can steer the world in different directions each new game, but the start date would feel like the constant point in time, and not an alternate universe every new game.
Also, if they are random each game, this aspect of RNG can be exploited by players, who can pick such a country and restart a game, until they get a ruler with overpowered stats.
Maybe it's just me, but nevertheless I would like to know what is Your approach to this matter.
Thank You!
whats wrong with that tiny "exploit" ?
 
I think the coastal locations should be more coastal. They shouldn't be so far inland, because it takes a lot of effort to explore that far into the jungle. I think it is much better to have smaller but wider locations on the cost, which will represent trading outposts.
To be honest, the coastal locations are not something we're very happy with, as they look too gamey, in comparison with the inland, which feels more organic; it's one of the things that we want to change in the map review.
 
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Interesting TM!

Question about Mali... Some historians argue that Mansa Mūsā died somewhere around 1337, but exact date and cause is unclear. That begs the question, will Project Caesar have an event related to his death, shortly after the start of the campaign, or will he just continue ruling normally, like any other ruler?
He will continue ruling normally, as any other ruler alive in 1337.
 
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I am a little bothered by the excess of grey areas in yorubaland.
If Oyo, Ijebu, Ife and Owo are present in the map there is no reson for the others yoruba cities to not be present too. I will reread my sources to better suggest more yoruba cities later.
 
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You can see rivers only when you zoom in enough. Low Countries was the map of the smallest region, which is why you could see rivers there. You can see rivers also in the more zoomed in maps of Italy which were shared in replies to answers in that Tinto Maps thread, but they don't appear on the general map of Italy.
I wasn't sure about that, but it makes sense, though I guess I'd have expected major rivers to be visible even from this zoom level, where you can clearly read location names.
 
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A beautiful map this week… I may repeat that we tried our best to approach the region, taking into account that this was the first African region we completed, around 3 years ago. When we review it, we may add some more diversity, as we have now some more tools than the ones we had back in time, but we think that it’s way best to read your feedback first, to make sure we are on the same page.

You seem to be missing the Tellem people in the Dogon country in Mali. They started being replaced by the Dogon, fleeing from the Mandé, in the 11th century but disappeared only around the 15th-16th century. They were noticeable for their unique practices and building settlements into cliffside. There should still be some Tellem minorities in Dogon, and maybe some minorities going south of Dogon as they reputedly did.
This paper references them:

Also would just like to reiterate that the population does seem low for West Africa. The Yoruba: A New History discusses the Ife city and its immediate proximity having a population of 70,000-105,000 in mid-14th century, wheras here it has 20,000. Same can be said for the other Yoruba provinces, they seem to be a bit low compared to what I'm used to seeing.
 
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It's a bit hard to comment without fully understanding the design policy behind the distinction of settled country vs. tribe vs. "grey territory". I understand there are also non-territorial countries that will be represented, but we haven't seen them and don't know much about it.

For starters, from a simple glance, I feel like the Yoruba should be better represented in terms of their cities.

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That is true. By the end of the month, we will have some more stuff that we need for the design to be fully understood; so I'll probably make some further updates in this thread, according to that. ;)
 
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Is there a system to portray the sahelian dryness cycles?
That would be really cool to have, although we are not yet sure if we'll have the technology available to properly portray them in-game.
 
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Good question... Nubia, Ethiopia, and the Horn of Africa for sure, and I have to figure out if the Swahili Coast will come next week too, or in another Tinto Maps.
Crimea and Caucassus when? I wish you portray the religious landscape of Golden hoarde correctly with islam still spreading near its capital, area around astrakhan, dagestan, and part of crimea
 
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It feels a little off not having savanna represented on the terrain map. I guess that's what arid+sparse is trying to allude to, but it still seems weird.
 
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That would be really cool to have, although we are not yet sure if we'll have the technology available to properly portray them in-game.
Couldn't this use a similar system you would need to model things like the little ice age, earthquakes or large volcanic eruptions ? Or is this confirmation that the inclusion of this kind of (sub)continental/global scale things remains a hope for EUVI Project Caesar 2 ?
 
Will there be a "Western steppes" Tinto maps for the western tatar lands, Crimea and the Kuban region or will it fall under something else?
 
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It would be interesting if there was a slight – and by slight I mean minute – chance for Mansa Musa's predecessor, Mansa Muhammad, who had left on an expedition (according to Musa, at least) to at some point return with information about America, or even for there to be an independent Malian outpost on the Continent. I know it is improbable, but I would argue that Columbus's discovery was also improbable. In fact, it could be a game rule, for those who want historical accuracy.
 
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