technically by 1337 they stopped using "eastern" because the western half had been disestablished over 900 years beforehand by that point.
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Should we do that for every country? I can think of more than a few countries that insist they are the true and only rightful rulers of the region/world/title/people/universe...
Perhaps it makes more sense to use the name that is most descriptive for that country....
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Less haphazardly being silent about the Uncomplicated Micronation?
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Byzantine for the adjective of the Empire is almost by definition more descriptive, since it can only be applied to a more limited span of time 565-1453, as opposed to the Eastern Roman Empire which would start in 286, if not earlier. But beyond that technicality, it's just generally more descriptive to refer to the medieval character of the society, as well as the other traits which we identify as making it more distinctly "Byzantine." And yes I know some people hate that distinction....
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And to not consider that name was created solely for political reasons in hre,to describe eastern rome as "they are not rome tehy byzants"?
It was not byzantion it was eastern rome,calling it byzantium is equal to calling germany a "berlany",and germans-"berlans",
or calling england "Londiniumland" and englishman "londiniushman".
So if your count-ry collapses and someone change its name in history books....it should be called "Capitalia" and your nation people "capitulants"?
Is there capital?-yes there is capital,people lived there?-people lived there.......So all true....
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you have made me reconsider my stance........And to not consider that name was created solely for political reasons in hre,to describe eastern rome as "they are not rome tehy byzants"?
It was not byzantion it was eastern rome,calling it byzantium is equal to calling germany a "berlany",and germans-"berlans",
or calling england "Londiniumland" and englishman "londiniushman".
So if your count-ry collapses and someone change its name in history books....it should be called "Capitalia" and your nation people "capitulants"?
Is there capital?-yes there is capital,people lived there?-people lived there.......So all true....
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Regardless of its origin, the term has become the historical mainstream way to refer to the medieval continuation of the Eastern Roman Empire whose national identity had shifted completely toward being Greek. "Byzantine" doesn't hold any "political" implication, since any political agenda related to that name died down centuries ago. There is really no controversy or anything to argue about, the issue arises from odd people who have become overly attached to medieval polities and, for some reason, feel angered at common terminology because they feel it as a slight... Against a dead empire that ceased to exist more than 500 years ago.
The correct historical name for the Byzantine Empire is, indeed, "Byzantine Empire". You will find this name being commonly used to refer to that polity by actual historians, regardless of what overly enthusiastic gamers think, and that's really the end of the discussion.
No, it was Byzantium, which in the Medieval age was the continuation of the Eastern Roman Empire.
That's literally what the name is used to indicate, if you bothered to do some research.
These names don't appear to have been used at any point in historiography, so there's nothing to argue about here.
Yes, we will use the names used by historians, who set up the academic terminology to make clear what we're talking about. The feelings of the ancients don't actually matter, because they're dead and we make history for the sake of our understanding, not the greater glory of some dead warlord ruling an autocratic statelet slightly different from the other neighbouring autocratic statelets.
Hopefully that cleared it up.
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And it's worth pointing out as well that when the people who are alive today ask we generally change what we call them, although it sometimes takes a while to filter into common usage. That's how we went from Persia to Iran, Turkey to Turkiye, and Holland to Netherlands. There's no sense in offending our neighbors after all.
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So,if historian (totally not corrupt) calls prussia-"Russia Number P"....it means half of Germany is Russian? Yes?
And call them P-russians or simply,russians?
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What if the world was made of puddingSo,if historian (totally not corrupt) calls prussia-"Russia Number P"....it means half of Germany is Russian? Yes?
And call them P-russians or simply,russians?
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what if corrupt "historian" invent words to describe a country and nation?Totally never been(roman empire and byzantium)..
Anyway i dont want to continue this dispute.Or ill get brainrot...
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why 6? 60 probably...arguments-"roman empire" "No,hre was roman empire it was byzantium" "roman empire" "byzantium" "ROME" "BYZANTIUM"
I shouldn't dignify this bad faith argument with a reply, but I'll bite. The name Prussia is already pretty distinctive and non confusing so why would we bother changing it?So,if historian (totally not corrupt) calls prussia-"Russia Number P"....it means half of Germany is Russian? Yes?
And call them P-russians or simply,russians?
Also, calling it Russia number P obscures history and doesn't reveal it. Prussians were Germans ruling over Baltic people (old Prussians). No Russians involved. So why would we name them after Russians?
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It's not a single historian, it's the historical consensus of the majority of historians, who regularly use "Byzantine Empire" as a valid name for the polity because it's deemed correct and descriptive of what it's referring to. If two thousands years from now the historian community will see it fit to come up with a new name for historical Prussia, that's going to be the name used in historical analysis for their time.So,if historian (totally not corrupt) calls prussia-"Russia Number P"....it means half of Germany is Russian? Yes?
And call them P-russians or simply,russians?
And yelling "corruption" because you don't like or fail to properly understand what historical research has concluded is just childish behaviour.
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