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Tinto Maps #27 - 22nd of November 2024 - Oceania

Hello, and welcome to another Friday devoted to map worship! You may remember me, Pavía, from previous Tinto Maps, as @Roger Corominas has been dutifully taking care of the last 6 dev diaries. Now he’s focusing on some other tasks, and I’ll be in charge of the last 4, as it’s planned that the war Tinto Maps will be over by Christmas. This doesn’t mean that we will be done with the maps of Project Caesar, though - we will continue posting Tinto Maps Feedback posts in the next few months. And the next one will be a very much anticipated one - the Balkans, next week! But let’s focus now on today’s region: Oceania!

Countries
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A bit different map today, as there are no regular countries in the entire region… All of them are Societies of Pops! Also, down to the right, that is not ‘Linear Atlantis’, but our ‘3D Material Testing Island’, where our (great) 3D artists test how the different combinations of terrains look in-game.

It may be relevant to repeat our guidelines for how to categorize countries and societies, by the way:
  • Settled Countries (State Societies)
    • Organized through States, which implies a public power holding:
      • Monopoly of violence
      • Tax collection
      • Public works
      • Writing/record-keeping systems
  • Societies of Pops (Stateless Societies)
    • Societies lacking a State properly, but that have some complex organizational features, such as (not necessarily all, but some):
      • Chiefdomly authority
      • Permanent settlements
      • Agricultural development
      • Some kind of taxation
  • Non-Tag Cultures (Bands/Kin Groups)
    • Simple societies, usually hunter-gatherers or shifting agriculturalists, don't organize around power structures, but through horizontal ones
    • Their pops won't be part of any type of tag, akin to EU4 natives
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Societies of Pops

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There are a few Societies of Pops in Oceania, in three main hubs: Hawaii, Fiji-Samoa-Tonga, and New Zealand. We’d be interested in listening to your feedback on this matter, nonetheless.

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Plenty of different maps today, to be able to show as many different regions as possible. This is very highly WIP, and some of the islands may end up dying because of their size and being unimportant. By the way, you may notice that some of the islands are weirdly rounded up - that’s because they have a different type of terrain, ‘Atoll’, which is the last one that we were able to add to the game in due time during the development process.

Provinces
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Areas
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Terrain
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Now you may fully notice the purpose of Terrain Testing Island!

Development
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Not a very developed region in 1337…

Natural Harbors
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There are some very good natural harbors in the region, including a very infamous one in O’ahu…

Cultures
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Tons of different cultures today!

Languages
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Papua is not the most homogeneous place in the world, language-related…

Religions
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As mentioned last week, we’ve split Animism into several ‘cultural confessions’, which we want now to recombine into broader families; so, again, any suggestions are welcome!

Raw Materials
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Resources are, in general terms, quite basic, food-oriented ones; although Australia is more varied, obviously, and there are some areas very rich in Pearls.

Markets
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Ternate is the main market of the western part of the region, although you may notice that there’s very little access in most of the locations.

Population
There are some issues with the Population distribution map of the region this week, but I’m letting you know that the total population is 1.885M.

And that is all for today! If you want a more detailed map of a given area, just let me know, as I’m aware that the scale of the region shown doesn’t fit well with the usual format of Tinto Maps.

Next week we will take a look at the last continent remaining, starting with the region of North America. See you!
 
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Will there not be any countries to represent the Aboriginal people?

Also, I presume the languages aren't fully done since that's a pretty big lacking of language for such a diverse area irl.
 
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Pavía said:
Next week we will take a look at the last continent remaining, starting with the region of North America. See you!
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Could you take a look at some questions regarding feedback for the Americas that I posted here a week ago please? I don't want to ask about it in this thread, since it's not related to Oceania.
 
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I bet that guy who was posting about Hawaii/Polynesia is gonna be pleased...

The language + religion gore has reached peak insanity. Not sure a single Pama-Nyungan language is realistic, but eh.

I did kinda expect a kingdom in Tonga, but that was it.

When you guys say you want to recombine religions into broader groups, does that mean into new religions or into religion groups? I think the former but I'm not sure.

Excited for North America!
 
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Hello, and welcome to another Friday devoted to map worship! You may remember me, Pavía, from previous Tinto Maps, as @Roger Corominas has been dutifully taking care of the last 6 dev diaries. Now he’s focusing on some other tasks, and I’ll be in charge of the last 4, as it’s planned that the war Tinto Maps will be over by Christmas. This doesn’t mean that we will be done with the maps of Project Caesar, though - we will continue posting Tinto Maps Feedback posts in the next few months. And the next one will be a very much anticipated one - the Balkans, next week! But let’s focus now on today’s region: Oceania!
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Will there be additional threads regarding Low Lands - France - Iberia etc? Not only for the many charges proposed after the first review, but also for the features Johan introduced after the map was reviewed?
 
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World conquest as 3D Material Testing Island will be fun
 
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Is the term "deep Ocean" still open for negotiation?
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I dont know about you, but the only Fleet i wanna send to Deep Ocean, is the enemy one. :D
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So perhaps a more nautical term, like High Seas?
You could even structure it like Inland sea, Coastal Sea, Open Sea and High Seas. :)
 
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any progress/change with playabiility for Societies of Pops? meaning did you have ideas how to make it fun or does the cutting floor still loom over it?
 
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Oh god.

I think Paradox either has made both a good Polynesia and a bad Polynesia. I don’t have the time now but know I am incredibly disappointed in the choice of making all of the countries that are definitely organized enough to be settled countries especially those that were present in EU4 to be just Societies of Pops, it’s incredibly disheartening and just a shame.

There’s also a lot more gripes I have but I simply need some more time to process my thoughts because this is… just sad.

- Yasha
 
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I won't say I'm not a little disappointed that there's not a state to play in the region, but hopefully societies of pops will be playable at some point in the future.
 
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Sorry for the somewhat unrelated comment, but would you be willing to share the status of the Carpathia/Balkans feedback rework? That conversation has passed 100 pages and the player feedback is starting to get less and less... professional.

Never mind, I see it's coming next week! Fantastic!
 
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