AGC & EEP: Scandinavia

unmerged(40707) · Oct 30, 2008

About post #699, even if not finished yet:

"Karl Knutsson Bonde" or "Karl Knutsson" only then?

deathdate of previous monarch should match exactly startdate of next monarch or we will get a hole and strange king before next historical one.

Crookback · Oct 30, 2008

YodaMaster said:
About post #699, even if not finished yet:

"Karl Knutsson Bonde" or "Karl Knutsson" only then?

Bonde was his adopted family name I think, so probably just "Karl Knutsson" - Karl II/VIII seems to be quite unpopular among Swedes, but I really have no idea as he is listed in most sources as Karl VIII. Really this should go hand in hand with the nicknames debate...

YodaMaster said:
deathdate of previous monarch should match exactly startdate of next monarch or we will get a hole and strange king before next historical one.

Agreed. I haven't altered any dates for the Norse files, only names - not qualified to alter dates.

o

Toio · Oct 31, 2008

this post replaces Post # 699

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131500 }
startdate = {
day = 17
month = june
year = 1397
}
deathdate = {
day = 4
month = april
year = 1439
}
name = "Erik av Pommern"
DIP = 3
MIL = 3
ADM = 7
dormant = no
remark = "King of Denmark, Sweden and Norway"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131508 }
startdate = {
day = 4
month = april
year = 1439
}
deathdate = {
day = 9
month = april
year = 1440
}
name = "Karl Knutsson "
DIP = 7
MIL = 3
ADM = 3
dormant = no
remark = "Karl II of Sweden"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131501 }
startdate = {
day = 9
month = april
year = 1440
}
deathdate = {
day = 5
month = january
year = 1448
}
name = "Kristofer av Bayern"
DIP = 5
MIL = 4
ADM = 7
dormant = no
remark = "King of Denmark, Sweden and Norway"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131534 }
startdate = {
day = 5
month = january
year = 1448
}
deathdate = {
month = august
year = 1457
}
name = "Karl Knutsson "
DIP = 7
MIL = 3
ADM = 3
dormant = no
remark = "Karl II of Sweden"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131502 }
startdate = {
month = august
year = 1457
}
deathdate = {
day = 21
month = may
year = 1464
}
name = "Kristian I"
DIP = 7
MIL = 3
ADM = 4
dormant = no
remark = "King of Denmark, Sweden and Norway"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131535 }
startdate = {
day = 21
month = may
year = 1464

}
deathdate = {
day = 15
month = may
year = 1470
}
name = "Karl Knutsson"
DIP = 7
MIL = 3
ADM = 3
dormant = no
remark = "Karl II of Sweden"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131509 }
startdate = {
day = 15
month = may
year = 1470
}
deathdate = {
day = 13
month = january
year = 1483
}
name = "Sten Sture den äldre"
DIP = 4
MIL = 6
ADM = 5
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131503 }
startdate = {
day = 13
month = january
year = 1483

}
deathdate = {
day = 20
month = july
year = 1504
}
name = "Hans"
DIP = 4
MIL = 5
ADM = 3
dormant = no
remark = "Regent of Sweden"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131510 }
startdate = {
day = 20
month = july
year = 1504
}
deathdate = {
day = 2
month = january
year = 1512
}
name = "Svante Nilsson"
DIP = 4
MIL = 3
ADM = 5
dormant = no
remark = "Regent of Sweden"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131511 }
startdate = {
day = 2
month = january
year = 1512
}
deathdate = {
day = 5
month = february
year = 1520
}
name = "Sten Sture den yngre"
DIP = 3
MIL = 5
ADM = 2
dormant = no
remark = "Regent of Sweden"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131504 }
startdate = {
day = 5
month = february
year = 1520
}
deathdate = {
day = 6
month = june
year = 1521
}
name = "Kristian II"
DIP = 3
MIL = 6
ADM = 3
dormant = no
remark = "King of Denmark, Sweden and Norway"
}

I will continue this later

Toio · Oct 31, 2008

rest of monarchs for Sweden

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131512 }
startdate = {
day = 6
month = june
year = 1521
}
deathdate = {
day = 29
month = september
year = 1560
}
name = "Gustav Vasa"
DIP = 7
ADM = 9
MIL = 7
dormant = no
}

#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#Erik's Vasa dynasty

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131513 }
startdate = {
day = 29
month = september
year = 1560
}
deathdate = {
day = 29
month = september
year = 1568
}
name = "Erik XIV"
DIP = 6
ADM = 6
MIL = 7
dormant = no
remark = "Forced to abdicate and imprisoned by his two brothers, Dukes Johan and Karl."
}

#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#Johan's Vasa dynasty

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131515 }
startdate = {
day = 29
month = september
year = 1568
}
deathdate = {
day = 17
month = november
year = 1592
}
name = "Johan III"
DIP = 6
ADM = 6
MIL = 6
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131516 }
startdate = {
day = 17
month = november
year = 1592
}
deathdate = {
day = 16
month = september
year = 1599
}
name = "Sigismund Vasa"
DIP = 5
ADM = 5
MIL = 6
dormant = no
remark = "Forced out of Sweden by his uncle, Duke Karl, in a brief civil war."
}

#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#Karl's Vasa dynasty

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131521 }
startdate = {
day = 16
month = september
year = 1599
}
deathdate = {
day = 29
month = october
year = 1611
}
name = "Karl IX"
DIP = 7
ADM = 8
MIL = 3
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131522 }
startdate = {
day = 29 #31th in RL
month = october
year = 1611
}
deathdate = {
day = 6
month = november
year = 1632
}
name = "Gustav II Adolf"
DIP = 9
ADM = 9
MIL = 9
dormant = no
remark = "Died in battle."
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131523 }
startdate = {
day = 6
month = november
year = 1632
}
deathdate = {
day = 7
month = june
year = 1654
}
name = "Kristina"
DIP = 6
ADM = 5
MIL = 5
dormant = no
remark = "Abdicated and converted to Catholicism."
}

#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#Pfalz-Zweibrücken Dynasty

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131524 }
startdate = {
day = 7
month = june
year = 1654
}
deathdate = {
day = 13
month = february
year = 1660
}
name = "Karl X Gustav"
DIP = 4
ADM = 6
MIL = 9
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131525 }
startdate = {
day = 14
month = february
year = 1660
}
deathdate = {
day = 5
month = april
year = 1697
}
name = "Karl XI"
DIP = 6
ADM = 8
MIL = 5
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131526 }
startdate = {
day = 6
month = april
year = 1697
}
deathdate = {
day = 29
month = november
year = 1718
}
name = "Karl XII"
DIP = 4
ADM = 6
MIL = 9
dormant = no
remark = "Died in battle."
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131527 }
startdate = {
day = 1
month = december
year = 1718
}
deathdate = {
day = 2
month = may
year = 1720
}
name = "Ulrika Eleonora"
DIP = 7
ADM = 6
MIL = 5
dormant = no
}

#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#Hessen-Kassel Dynasty

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131528 }
startdate = {
day = 2
month = may
year = 1720
}
deathdate = {
day = 25
month = march
year = 1751
}
name = "Fredrik I"
DIP = 5
ADM = 6
MIL = 7
dormant = no
}

#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#Holstein-Gottorp Dynasty

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131529 }
startdate = {
day = 26
month = march
year = 1751
}
deathdate = {
day = 12
month = february
year = 1771
}
name = "Adolf Fredrik"
DIP = 6
ADM = 7
MIL = 5
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131530 }
startdate = {
day = 12
month = february
year = 1771
}
deathdate = {
day = 29
month = march
year = 1792
}
name = "Gustav III"
DIP = 7
ADM = 8
MIL = 5
dormant = no
remark = "Murdered."
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131531 }
startdate = {
day = 0
month = april
year = 1792
}
deathdate = {
year = 1837
}
name = "Gustav IV Adolf"
DIP = 2
ADM = 7
MIL = 5
dormant = no
remark = "Forced to abdicate in may 1809."
}

.............................
these below are used to wake monarchs
I suggest we look at events and work out which to retain.
Some are already noted above as they where "officially " in control of sweden

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131508 }
startdate = {
year = 1448
}
deathdate = {
day = 15
month = may
year = 1470
}
name = "Karl Knutsson" #Karl II/VIII - Karl Knutsson Bonde
DIP = 7
MIL = 3
ADM = 3
dormant = yes
remark = "Rigsforstander since 1438. Ruled Sweden three times, events should be created to simulate this."
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131509 }
startdate = {
year = 1470
}
deathdate = {
year = 1504
}
name = "Sten Sture den äldre"
DIP = 4
MIL = 6
ADM = 5
dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131510 }
startdate = {
year = 1504
}
deathdate = {
year = 1512
}
name = "Svante Nilsson"
DIP = 4
MIL = 4
ADM = 4
dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131511 }
startdate = {
year = 1512
}
deathdate = {
year = 1520
}
name = "Sten Sture den yngre"
DIP = 2
MIL = 5
ADM = 5
dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131505 }
startdate = {
day = 6
month = august
year = 1746
}
deathdate = {
year = 1766
}
name = "Frederik V °"
DIP = 4
MIL = 4
ADM = 5
dormant = yes
remark = "King of Denmark. Frederik V had great advisors that managed to run Denmark quite efficiently despite the kings alcohol problem."
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131506 }
startdate = {
year = 1766
}
deathdate = {
day = 12
month = march
year = 1808
}
name = "Christian VII °"
DIP = 3
MIL = 3
ADM = 0
dormant = yes
remark = "King of Denmark. An event must be created for Johan Friederich Struensee that gives +1 MIL and +5 ADM and causes increased revoltrisk in 1770-1772."
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131507 }
startdate = {
day = 12
month = march
year = 1808
}
deathdate = {
year = 1839
}
name = "Frederik VI °"
DIP = 2
MIL = 2
ADM = 4
dormant = yes
remark = "King of Denmark."
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131514 }
startdate = {
day = 17
month = july
year = 1581
}
deathdate = {
day = 29
month = october
year = 1611
}
name = "Erik XV"
DIP = 6
ADM = 7
MIL = 6
dormant = yes
remark = "Gustav the son of Erik XIV."
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131515 }
startdate = {
day = 29
month = september
year = 1568
}
deathdate = {
day = 17
month = november
year = 1592
}
name = "Johan III"
DIP = 6
ADM = 6
MIL = 6
dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131517 }
startdate = {
day = 29
month = april
year = 1632
}
deathdate = {
day = 19
month = may
year = 1648
}
name = "Johan IV °"
DIP = 8
ADM = 7
MIL = 7
dormant = yes
remark = "Son of Sigismund"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131518 }
startdate = {
day = 19
month = may
year = 1648
}
deathdate = {
day = 16
month = december
year = 1672
}
name = "Johan V Kasimir °"
DIP = 6
ADM = 3
MIL = 4
dormant = yes
remark = "Brother of Johan IV"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131519 }
startdate = {
day = 17
month = december
year = 1672
}
deathdate = {
day = 29
month = november
year = 1718
}
name = "Johan VI Wilhelm °"
DIP = 6
ADM = 3
MIL = 7
dormant = yes
remark = "Son of Anna Katarzyna Konstaneja, Sigismunds daughter. Originally of the Catholic Pfalz-Neuburg

Dynasty"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131520 }
startdate = {
day = 29
month = november
year = 1718
}
deathdate = {
day = 29 #31th in RL
month = december
year = 1742
}
name = "Karl IX Filip °"
DIP = 6
ADM = 7
MIL = 7
dormant = yes
remark = "Brother of Johan VI Wilhelm, Pfalz-Neuburg Dynasty"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131532 }
startdate = {
month = may
year = 1809
}
deathdate = {
day = 5
month = february
year = 1818
}
name = "Karl XIII"
DIP = 8
ADM = 5
MIL = 5
dormant = yes
remark = "Gustav IV Adolf's uncle, heirless King of Sweden in 1809"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0131533 }
startdate = {
day = 6
month = february
year = 1818
}
deathdate = {
day = 8
month = march
year = 1844
}
name = "Karl XIV Johan"
DIP = 5
ADM = 5
MIL = 7
dormant = yes
remark = "French Napoleonic marshal Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte"
}

Toio · Oct 31, 2008

Having looked at the swedish events, with the wake and sleep monarchs , it seems that whoever wrote them, did not follow history, but tried to enforce a union with DAN for as long as he/she could.

I suggest we revisit these events till about 1550 and make adjustments to fit

unmerged(40707) · Oct 31, 2008

Startdate of Gustav Vasa (0131512) doesn't match deathdate of Kristian II (0131504). Is it intented?

About dormant national regents 0131508 to 0131511, better check events that wake them. We could remove them and sleep not dormant proposed ones if things don't happen the way they should.
In this case, we must be sure "surviving" monarch will be the accurate one.

Toio said:
Having looked at the swedish events, with the wake and sleep monarchs , it seems that whoever wrote them, did not follow history, but tried to enforce a union with DAN for as long as he/she could.

I suggest we revisit these events till about 1550 and make adjustments to fit

Agreed

Toio · Oct 31, 2008

YodaMaster said:
Startdate of Gustav Vasa (0131512) doesn't match deathdate of Kristian II (0131504). Is it intented?

About dormant national regents 0131508 to 0131511, better check events that wake them. We could remove them and sleep not dormant proposed ones if things don't happen the way they should.
In this case, we must be sure "surviving" monarch will be the accurate one.

Agreed

on gustav.

unsure he was from 1521 to 1523 as regent of sweden under, Kristian , then he replaced kristian as king in 1523.
I think I might make gustav startdate 1523

on dormants, easier said than done, as we need to contend with option A and option B which sometimes need reversing, ie, option B was sometimes the historical path.

Crookback · Oct 31, 2008

Toio said:
on gustav.

unsure he was from 1521 to 1523 as regent of sweden under, Kristian , then he replaced kristian as king in 1523.
I think I might make gustav startdate 1523

on dormants, easier said than done, as we need to contend with option A and option B which sometimes need reversing, ie, option B was sometimes the historical path.

Remember to have different monarch IDs for someone as regent than as king, see previous examples in monarchs.ENG & naming convention (regent = person's name, king = regnal name + Roman numeral) - but I do agree that Sweden needs clearing up, and you will no doubt have to write a series of new events in order to wake/sleep certain monarchs/leaders.

Best of luck, as this is something that's been needed doing for a while.

Toio · Oct 31, 2008

mandead said:
Remember to have different monarch IDs for someone as regent than as king, see previous examples in monarchs.ENG & naming convention (regent = person's name, king = regnal name + Roman numeral) - but I do agree that Sweden needs clearing up, and you will no doubt have to write a series of new events in order to wake/sleep certain monarchs/leaders.

Best of luck, as this is something that's been needed doing for a while.

np, i just deleted his (gustav) 1521-1523 regent years and left kristian in control

Prinz Wilhelm · Oct 31, 2008

Gustav Vasa had by August 1521 been elected regent by Götaland and Dalarna, and the Swedish Puppet government under Kristian II had fled. Kristian no longer had any control of Sweden, so I'd put in Gustav Vasa instead.

Heimdall · Oct 31, 2008

Prinz Wilhelm said:
Gustav Vasa had by August 1521 been elected regent by Götaland and Dalarna, and the Swedish Puppet government under Kristian II had fled. Kristian no longer had any control of Sweden, so I'd put in Gustav Vasa instead.

Kristian had gradually lost control of Sweden since the beginning of 1521. Around the time of Bartholomew (August 24) Gustav had been elected riksföreståndare. Kristian still controled certain strongpoints like Stockholm and Stegeborg, but he was king of Sweden only in name.

-I don't see what you need to change in the current set-up.

Edit: The above info comes from the highly acclaimed book "Gustav Vasa - landsfader eller tyrann?" (Father of the nation or tyrant?) By Lars-Olov Larsson.

Toio · Nov 1, 2008

Heimdall said:
Kristian had gradually lost control of Sweden since the beginning of 1521. Around the time of Bartholomew (August 24) Gustav had been elected riksföreståndare. Kristian still controled certain strongpoints like Stockholm and Stegeborg, but he was king of Sweden only in name.

-I don't see what you need to change in the current set-up.

Edit: The above info comes from the highly acclaimed book "Gustav Vasa - landsfader eller tyrann?" (Father of the nation or tyrant?) By Lars-Olov Larsson.

so which is it ?
1521 or 1523 for gustav to start

Toio · Nov 1, 2008

having checked the swedish events, I see no issue if we remove the wake and sleep monarch commands,

The one event which can cause some grief is DAN 159017

Heimdall · Nov 1, 2008

Toio said:
so which is it ?
1521 or 1523 for gustav to start

All that took place in 1521, which should be the correct startdate for Gustav (or if you're really picky he should be riksföreståndare from 1521 and king from 1523, but as you haven't made that distinction before I don't see any reason to add it now

).

Toio · Nov 3, 2008

Heimdall said:
All that took place in 1521, which should be the correct startdate for Gustav (or if you're really picky he should be riksföreståndare from 1521 and king from 1523, but as you haven't made that distinction before I don't see any reason to add it now ).

amended

Crookback · Nov 3, 2008

Toio, please use Swedish for monarchs.SWE; just saw "Sten Sture the Younger" should be --> "Sten Sture den yngre"

o

Toio · Nov 3, 2008

mandead said:
Toio, please use Swedish for monarchs.SWE; just saw "Sten Sture the Younger" should be --> "Sten Sture den yngre" o

fixed/amended

thanks

unmerged(40707) · Nov 9, 2008

Don't worry. I saw it too.

Toio, could you please send me your monarchs.swe file? Im a little confused with proposed changes and removal of separators.

What about events to be reworked and dormant monarchs then?

Toio · Nov 10, 2008

YodaMaster said:
Toio, could you please send me your monarchs.swe file? Im a little confused with proposed changes and removal of separators.

What about events to be reworked and dormant monarchs then?

post 703 and 704 are ready

In regards to events , I am in favour of removing the wake and sleep monarch commands for sweden for the 15th and 16th centuries events.

I was just waiting on other modders opinions.

let me know your opinion

I also will use the same monarch IDs for the dormant "yes" monarchs with the same names

unmerged(40707) · Dec 6, 2008

About removal of wake and sleep monarch commands for sweden, I'm not sure what to do.

I applied:

Toio said:
Remove the following command from the following swedish events
291021
291001
291000
291002
291003
291006
291011
291012 - needs a relation command hit of -50 only
291014
3219
3225

but...

SWE_291002 and SWE_291003: removing all the commands in all the actions is strange to me, especially the ones where Hans should be slept.

SWE_3225: if John is executed (action_b), we should have in action_b:

Code:

		[COLOR="Yellow"]command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 0131515 } #Johan III[/COLOR]
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 0131514 } #Erik XV

Right?

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