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I'm glad to see so many people interested :) Here are propositions submitted so far:

Milan (Emperor_krk, Olav)
Savoy (myself)
Tuscany
Hussites
Lithuania

Votes casted so far are in the brackets. As for now, Milan leads the way, but nothing's been settled yet. :)
 
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Well, Emperor told me he could not have made up his mind - he wants to play Hussites as much as Milan ;) So, Olav - unless you're in a simmilar situation, the vote remains 1x Milan :)
 
Jedrek said:
Well, Emperor told me he could not have made up his mind - he wants to play Hussites as much as Milan ;) So, Olav - unless you're in a simmilar situation, the vote remains 1x Milan :)
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A few days ago I've sent you a PM asking if I can vote twice, like we had done last time. If that isn't allowed, I place my vote on Milan, with the aim to create a protestant Italy and releasing a protestant Papal States :p.
 
Erm... That's a fact... OK, the ranking's corrected. Looks like the flu I have is hampering my memory and other mental processes :p
 
OK, so I'll start the game tommorow. We'll play AGCEEP 1.57 as Milan. Settings:
Difficulty: hard
AI Aggressivness: normal
Additional options: KoG, KoI, Crusader Events
Other settings default. Is that OK?

Roster:
Jedrek
Olav
TheConqueror
Emperor_krk
The_Swert
Brian Roastbeef

OK with that?
 
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Ok, I've never played a game on hard before. I don't like testing myself, I usually just prefer a fun easy game. But for this I shall adapt. I would prefer doing my leg after New Years too. It's a busy week with Christmas and all.
 
Sounds good for me! Isn't TheConqueror going to participate?

Will the rules be the same as in the Finland SG? We also have to decide if we're going to have any "special" rules as we're playing as Milan, and hopefully as Italy. What I had in mind is to limit the amount of provinces we get through expansion. It didn't work too well in the Finland SG (at least near the end), so maybe it isn't such a good idea for this SG...

Other than that I think the goal of converting the Pope sounds like a fun challenge. :)
 
TheConqueror has been put between me and Emperor.

As for special rules... Well, I think the idea of no forceannexing other Christians should be retained, but one exception; when fighting against "heretics" (this means, catholics when playing as protestant/reformed). Of course, the Edict of Tolerance would remove the exception.

The only limit for our conquests should be the BB we have! ;)

And one more thing - let's drop the idea of "globally favourable DP settings". Let every player use the 20 years he has to modify the DP as he wishes. Some of us (I guess) prefer massive conversions, others like hyperteching (as we know, innovative narrowmindness is mutually exclusive) and so on... It may be fun in the beginning, but in Finnish SG you left me without any choice during my first turn :p
 
Jedrek said:
OK, so I'll start the game tommorow. We'll play AGCEEP 1.57 as Milan. Settings:
Difficulty: hard
AI Aggressivness: normal
Additional options: KoG, KoI, Crusader Events
Other settings default. Is that OK?
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Just for information, recommended value is weakling.
 
Good to know that Yoda. It's nice to have you tracking us, watching what we will be doing in the SG (as you always do when a game of AGCEEP is run :)).

Jedrek said:
And one more thing - let's drop the idea of "globally favourable DP settings". Let every player use the 20 years he has to modify the DP as he wishes. Some of us (I guess) prefer massive conversions, others like hyperteching (as we know, innovative narrowmindness is mutually exclusive) and so on... It may be fun in the beginning, but in Finnish SG you left me without any choice during my first turn :p
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Well, on the other hand it would be pointless to have one player go 2 steps narrowminded and the follower going 2 steps innovative, wouldn't it? I'd rather we just discussed the preferred DP settings for a certain time (say, we want to have a strong, developed country in the beginning, so we go as innovative as possible, but once the Reformation kicks in we would rather convert our provinces, so we should go back to about 5-4 narrowminded, and so on). Other than that, the most useful DP settings for EU2 go like max aristocracy (BB reduction through high diplomatic value of the monarch), max centralization (obvious, I think: +25% tax income), largely free trade (colonists, merchants), max offensive (morale and +1 assault) and quality (same and +1 fire), 5 land (I assume we are going to explore and colonize at least some, right?). Don't know how about serfdom - we might want that stabcost reduction (well, at least that's what I choose usually). All of that is up for discussion though. The only thing we would really change back anf forth at all is narrowmindedness, and with the changes in it we need to be, as I stated already, consistent.
 
Your DP-setup sounds nice, Emperor. I think it would be nice with Serfdom once we convert. Maybe we should go more naval, to get some explorers?

The only limit for our conquests should be the BB we have!
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Ok, even though I'm a bit sceptical. :p I think we should limit ourselves to only Italian provinces before the Reformation though. By the way, did you want to convert to Protestant or Reformed?
 
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Your DP-setup sounds nice, Emperor. I think it would be nice with Serfdom once we convert. Maybe we should go more naval, to get some explorers?
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Agreed - however perhaps not too early, as we start landlocked and won't have a chance to colonize for the first ~150 years I guess.
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Ok, even though I'm a bit sceptical. :p I think we should limit ourselves to only Italian provinces before the Reformation though. By the way, did you want to convert to Protestant or Reformed?
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I'd go protestant.
 
Milan sounds good. Last up on the roster will work well for me, though I think we all understand if the first guys are slowed by the holiday week too. If we're all in agreement on the start (hard, weakling, and I'm guessing randoms on and missions off), I'd say start up the thread whenever you're ready, Jedrek!

As far as those starting options, does Milan have any part in the Crusader Events? I haven't played AGCEEP Milan, but I thought those pretty much involved England and Order of St. John. I'd guess there'd be no real harm from having that and Germany enabled. I have it on most of the time myself, but I've never seen the AI make any use of their fancy AGCEEP granted abilities in that regard. Kingdom of Italy is a must though...kind of half the point we're playing Milan, actually.

As for DP sliders, I'm with Emperor_Krk. We could have freedom to decide, but we ought to have some joint planning on the issue depending on what our short to mid-term goals are, so we aren't countering each other's moves.

Krk also touches on an interesting question regarding our goals. Do we want to seek the new world or focus on our conquering in the old? It really could direct our DP moves early on (as Olav indicated, we may actually want to go naval), and we may want to get friendly with Portugal early on if we're looking to go overseas.

If we're worth a damn in our game play, it shouldn't be all that long before we get ourselves a port, though. (Let's be realistic ;) ) DP moves during our early landlocked time will probably be mostly toward Centralization.

Also, it may be my conservative streak, but I'm with Olav on the conquests. I'd like to have some restraint, maybe just Italian provinces, and then possibly some of the wealthier other (French!) cultured provinces later on. Is there any reason we'd need to own half of the Crimea?

And welcome to the succession game crowd, Conqueror. :cool:
 
Kingdom of Italy is a must though...kind of half the point we're playing Milan, actually.
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We can form Italy with the help of two nations, either Austria or Papal States. IIRC it's much easier to form it with Austria. But we should wait and see what happens ingame before deciding what way we will take.

Also, it may be my conservative streak, but I'm with Olav on the conquests. I'd like to have some restraint, maybe just Italian provinces, and then possibly some of the wealthier other (French!) cultured provinces later on.
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I think our game might be a bit more interesting if we go Reformed instead of Protestant, as France gets some Reformed provinces (Provence, Languedoc, Savoie). We will also (hopefully) get some Reformed Swiss provinces that we can take. :) If we're going Protestant, we'll get more provinces to convert, I reckon. Even if choose Protestant or Reformed, I think we should secure the neighbouring mountain provinces (the Alps), that is Provence, Savoie, the two Swiss provinces, Tirol, Steiermark and Krain. That could create some interesting mountain wars against France and Austria. :)

If we decide to go Reformed, we should make good use of the increased trade efficiency (isn't it 10%?). A colonial race against Spain and Portugal could be fun. If not, why not create an Italian Europe? :)
 
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