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Eurasia has always been at war with Oceania! 
You know, I think there was a thread about this when the game first came out, but I don't know that it went anywhere. I would love to see a good 1984 scenario, as that just screams good 3 player MP action.
You know, I think there was a thread about this when the game first came out, but I don't know that it went anywhere. I would love to see a good 1984 scenario, as that just screams good 3 player MP action.
Yeah, I doubt it would be that hard.
THree tags, three nations, three national provinces.
The only thing needing editing would be some of the technologies.
THree tags, three nations, three national provinces.
The only thing needing editing would be some of the technologies.
Don't forget the ability to constantly switch sides at will in order to confuse your own population... and of course the ability to forget you're doing so entirely. Total, constant, unending war against an enemy who -- from one Tuesday to the next -- changes in appearance and suddenly becomes your ally. And then becomes your enemy... and then your ally... and then....
And your very own 'Goldstein', able to be recreated at will, un-catchable, un-findable, and posing a constant threat of terror against the state.
My, oh, my... this all sounds vaguely familiar to me somehow.... I'll leave that for another thread.
War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.
I love 1984
Sounds intresting. I don't think the technologies need to be changed much. No mention of what weapons of warare being used are mentioned. Except that rockets are used to bomb England. So everyone should have most if not all of the technologies.
Whats the 3rd nation called again. Its asian...
also what are the 3 idealogies... I know the asian nations is called Death Worship and is oceania's is just called big brother? I don't have the book and might arm myself with it and make this scernario! Could be fun.
The borders are tricky though. Oceania clearly controls all of north, south america and england. Eurasia controls europe and ruissia..? The other controls asia...and africa? From what i remember from the book it seems africa is the scene of much conflict? Perhaps the asian one controls must of it but other nations control parts of it. I read the book some years ago..the book isn't about the "war" anyway its mainly about sex.. (seemed the way when i was reading it...) . J/k.
Lastly events...This would be crazy. Alliances changing every...what did it seem like know? I think once a year. Could be done just no military access. Always have to watch your back for random changes in alliance.
Sounds intresting. I don't think the technologies need to be changed much. No mention of what weapons of warare being used are mentioned. Except that rockets are used to bomb England. So everyone should have most if not all of the technologies.
Whats the 3rd nation called again. Its asian...
also what are the 3 idealogies... I know the asian nations is called Death Worship and is oceania's is just called big brother? I don't have the book and might arm myself with it and make this scernario! Could be fun.
The borders are tricky though. Oceania clearly controls all of north, south america and england. Eurasia controls europe and ruissia..? The other controls asia...and africa? From what i remember from the book it seems africa is the scene of much conflict? Perhaps the asian one controls must of it but other nations control parts of it. I read the book some years ago..the book isn't about the "war" anyway its mainly about sex..
(seemed the way when i was reading it...) . J/k.Lastly events...This would be crazy. Alliances changing every...what did it seem like know? I think once a year. Could be done just no military access. Always have to watch your back for random changes in alliance.
I would love to play such a scenario and my suggestions are:
1.Oceania has the two Americas, Great Britain, Australia and South Africa. Eurasia has Russia, Mongolia, and Europe. The third nation (hey, belive it or not, I have forgotten its name ) has Japan and China. The book tells that from Indonesia to Dakar lies a disputed border zone, where the actual fighting takes place. This could be modelled as some low-industrialized low-armed states, all in war with the three powers.
2.Orwell suggests that the three powers have no interest in conquering the home provinces of their rivals. So, a solution would be the erecting of great fortifications at the borders, possibly 6lvl forts, with AA guns.
3.I disagree with the idea that they should have all technologies. The V1/V2 is a must, the nuclear weapons...maybe not. This is not extremely accurate, yet, with such power, the borders may become extremly unstable. This should happen only at the end of the game. The research is a must for such a mod.
4.I doubt we could implement the unending alliance changes in 1984, due to game restrictions. So, maybe the three-alliance system is the best solution.
5. This is only a game suited for MP,as it will demand strict house rules (ex. not couping the enemy)
6.With new graphics and new events, this mod could be extremly interesting...so I am hoping for the best.
1.Oceania has the two Americas, Great Britain, Australia and South Africa. Eurasia has Russia, Mongolia, and Europe. The third nation (hey, belive it or not, I have forgotten its name
) has Japan and China. The book tells that from Indonesia to Dakar lies a disputed border zone, where the actual fighting takes place. This could be modelled as some low-industrialized low-armed states, all in war with the three powers.2.Orwell suggests that the three powers have no interest in conquering the home provinces of their rivals. So, a solution would be the erecting of great fortifications at the borders, possibly 6lvl forts, with AA guns.
3.I disagree with the idea that they should have all technologies. The V1/V2 is a must, the nuclear weapons...maybe not. This is not extremely accurate, yet, with such power, the borders may become extremly unstable. This should happen only at the end of the game. The research is a must for such a mod.
4.I doubt we could implement the unending alliance changes in 1984, due to game restrictions. So, maybe the three-alliance system is the best solution.
5. This is only a game suited for MP,as it will demand strict house rules (ex. not couping the enemy)
6.With new graphics and new events, this mod could be extremly interesting...so I am hoping for the best.
To throw what I can remember, there was a nuclear bombing of an English city in the book, sometime around 1950 or so...Smith recounts that as part of his childhood memories. Apparently it led to the collapse of the government and the rise of Oceania under "Big Brother." Therefore, nukes should be in the game in some fashion.
So no one remembers the asian nation's name?
Also yeah you're right there are other "nations" in the book I remember them talking about how groups of people are constantly being taken over and retaken over and switching between different slave masters.
I tihkn the asian nations probley controls more than japan and china. Most likly it controlls most of the paccific islands, india, indochina up towards the middile-east.
I good event would be "officer purges" for all nations. Just like the soviet union one. I think this is a must. Remeber people are always "dissapering" for little or no reason even if the're big brother supporters.
Also yeah you're right there are other "nations" in the book I remember them talking about how groups of people are constantly being taken over and retaken over and switching between different slave masters.
I tihkn the asian nations probley controls more than japan and china. Most likly it controlls most of the paccific islands, india, indochina up towards the middile-east.
I good event would be "officer purges" for all nations. Just like the soviet union one. I think this is a must. Remeber people are always "dissapering" for little or no reason even if the're big brother supporters.
About nukes...I already suggested that their implementation would only complicate the game. The three powers used them in the past and in 1984 (Winston's time) they are stored for the ultimate great war. In fact, no one uses them.
A three-player game would see from the first second a nuclear conflict...which would be bad for the gameplay. I suggested that they could be researched as a late "superweapon".
A three-player game would see from the first second a nuclear conflict...which would be bad for the gameplay. I suggested that they could be researched as a late "superweapon".
The 3 nations(and their political alignment)
Oceania(IngSoc-English Socialism), Eurasia(Neo-Bolshevikism), and Eastasia(Death Worship). Just give each nation one point on the triangle, and it should work fine. IIRC if you don't give a nation ministers for any shadow government in the other two ideologies, couping the nation becomes impossible anyway.
As I understood it, they were the only three nations left. The slaves in the fought over lands just worked for whoever was in direct possession of the land at the time, much like how occupied lands work now in HOI.
Oceania(IngSoc-English Socialism), Eurasia(Neo-Bolshevikism), and Eastasia(Death Worship). Just give each nation one point on the triangle, and it should work fine. IIRC if you don't give a nation ministers for any shadow government in the other two ideologies, couping the nation becomes impossible anyway.
As I understood it, they were the only three nations left. The slaves in the fought over lands just worked for whoever was in direct possession of the land at the time, much like how occupied lands work now in HOI.
Thanks. Eastasia...so simple. So what do we need to do for this to be complete?
If nukes are being stored for the "great war" but they already have them then perhaps you shoud be able to use them if your home proveinces are invaded?
If nukes are being stored for the "great war" but they already have them then perhaps you shoud be able to use them if your home proveinces are invaded?
I really don't know how to mess with the .ai scripts but I'm sure something like that could possibly work.
EastAsia sounds good....something extremely abstract (like the other two)
The reason I didn't want nukes was from a researcher point of view. The three powers research like crazy for an ultimate weapon. What could that be? Well, after going through the research tree, there is nothing left except nukes... I don't want the scenario to end after two years...in fact, it should prove impossible to end it anyways The three ideologies have no interest in conquering the other two, due to cultural integration problems. If we give them nukes from the start, well, it will kinda eventually end the war pretty quickly.
I know there are no states left, yet there are the disputed zones in the ecuatorial area. I proposed to divide it into several states, all waging war against the three ideologies, because it would prove interesting to see a three year war (for example) for the domination of Congo...if we only have three powers, we would have to think about new boundries, who gets Egypt, who gets India...that sort of thing. The neutral state idea would work better...grab what you can and then defend it...
At first, I had another idea...why not only a neutral state, impossible to annex (due to its size), extremly weak (no techs whatsoever), laying between the three great ones...sort of a "slave republic". But I don't know if this could be done....
...and no, EastAsia only controls China and Japan. The book refers to it as the smallest nation, yet with the greatest work efficiency.
The reason I didn't want nukes was from a researcher point of view. The three powers research like crazy for an ultimate weapon. What could that be? Well, after going through the research tree, there is nothing left except nukes... I don't want the scenario to end after two years...in fact, it should prove impossible to end it anyways
The three ideologies have no interest in conquering the other two, due to cultural integration problems. If we give them nukes from the start, well, it will kinda eventually end the war pretty quickly.I know there are no states left, yet there are the disputed zones in the ecuatorial area. I proposed to divide it into several states, all waging war against the three ideologies, because it would prove interesting to see a three year war (for example) for the domination of Congo...if we only have three powers, we would have to think about new boundries, who gets Egypt, who gets India...that sort of thing. The neutral state idea would work better...grab what you can and then defend it...
At first, I had another idea...why not only a neutral state, impossible to annex (due to its size), extremly weak (no techs whatsoever), laying between the three great ones...sort of a "slave republic". But I don't know if this could be done....
...and no, EastAsia only controls China and Japan. The book refers to it as the smallest nation, yet with the greatest work efficiency.
Very surprising that EastAsia doesn't control indochina. That have to at least control indochina as well. right? Sounds good though.
I don't think a "slave republic" is a good idea. Just a couple large states at war with the the three powers. And i think that would be best because else we would have to deal with. Who controls india,egypt etc.
Also i read in the newspaper about Geroge Orwell. They said its his 100th birthday this year. (i don't know if its today).
So whos willing to do what for this project. I'm sure everyone would love to do the map. Since its the easist and funnist.
I have the book, and I just checked. In the articles written by "Goldstein"(if he really existed or not was never truly answered, though I doubt he did) he mentions Eastasia as owning....
Yes, but it also refers to Singapore as one of the points in dispute. Oh, well, my opinion is that the three states shouldn't have too many borders between them, as it will only place the players in the "delicate" position of attacking directly... But, from the looks of things, we already have a Mongolian issue, so, maybe, from the point of view of EastAsia and its possibilities, we should place Indochina under its control...
This project is interesting and I'll gladly embark on it. Find among yourselves a serious project leader and talk bussiness
. IMHO, we should debate (at that time, when "HorwellianI" becomes a workload for all) over these topics:1. A great project background story
2. The map and its characteristics (by these, I mean the unit issue, the research issue...you get the point)
3. Graphics (nothing too fancy, maybe a hammer and a sickle
)4. The issue of balance...remember, the game must be moddeled after a book, and not the other way around
5. Events, Ministers (I wonder how this will work!)
6. Web-page, thank you's, etc.
Or, like this:
Oceania - naval techs
Eurasia - land techs
EastAsia - production and efficiency techs
Oceania - naval techs
Eurasia - land techs
EastAsia - production and efficiency techs