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The exporter is biased!

I have some issues with the exporter, to make it easier I will first post the issues then longer texts about them:

*Province ownage
*Fortification level
*More Vassals Plz!
*You screwed my Population!
*Uzbek and Kazaks?
*CoTs are randomized..

Prvince ownage:
With the current exporter, province ownage is biased. Me, the human player gain all EU2 provinces if I own only 1 CK prov of it. This means that if I own 1/5 of a province I gain the entire province. For me this had the practical impact that I got to own4 EU2 provinces in britain including wales after owning only 4 CK provinces in britain. If you look at the provinces in both the games and compare you will see that this is biased.
Instead you should have a system where a key province takes it all. This means I have to own CKByzantion to gain EU2Trace, with current exporter I gain EU2Trace after owning Kalipolis!!! Sick!!! Needless to say I was really overpowered, but another problem that this change will sort out is the fact that when two comp players own CKprovs of a EU2prov the proves are distributed to the countries in alphabetical order. This is extremely biased as Denmark always screwes Sweden and Norway etc.

Fortification level:
A simmilar problem as with ownage problems is the lvl of fortification. In my Byzantim game I hade a Huge castle in CKByzantion and a Large castle in CKTrake, but in EU2 Trace didnt have any fortification at all! Why? Coz my vassal who owned Kalipolis hadnt bothered getting more than a hill fort... Introduce the same system as with province ownage here, Key prov decides fortification lvl!
Also, I am not sure if this is already the case but plz make sure minimal isnt the highest a castle can be onverted to. I think the following would be fair:
Hill fort: No fortification.
Small or medium castle: Minimal fort.
Large: Small fort.
Huge: Medium.

More Vassals Plz!:
I want counts to become vassals in EU2 as well. I want more vassals!! Also I would really like to see kingdoms as vassals even if I am king of that country. Here is a list of vassals i didnt gain, I arent listing the kingdoms tho(prov means becouse of prov ownage being biased, count means becouse of a lack of duchy):
Courland(Prov)
Moderna(Prov/Count)
Tuscany(Prov/Count)
Siena(Prov/Count)
Sardinia(Prov)
Pommerania(Prov)
Mantua(Prov/Count/Mantua title doesnt exist in CK)
Milan(Prov/Count)
Mecklenburg(Prov/Count)
Holstein(Count/Holstein title doesnt exist in CK)
Granada(Prov)
Auvergne(Prov)
Duchy of athens(Prov/Lack of title in CK?)
Bottom line is, I didnt have many vassals.

You screwed my Population!:
SICK! When I export Europes populations where decimated!! 8500 in EU2Trace. 6250 in EU2London. Paris had the top pop in the entire europe @ 11000! Most provinces was below 5k!!!! This gets even more biased when you go columbus and discover that the rest of the world has the right amount of pop!! In EU2 Grand Campaign Trace has 100k inhabitants, in CK exported to EU2 where Byzantium own the entire map(almost) my pop is 8500... But Dheli still has its 60k! :rofl:
Either make it so that the pops are like in EU2 or tweak the converter!!!!!!

Uzbek and Kazaks?:
They dont appear in the converted file eventhough thier capitals are located outside the CK map. They should exist in CK->EU2!

CoTs are randomized..:
Plz make them historically placed instead :(
 
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The highest income provinces in CK become COT's in EU2 - its not randomised.

Counts will never become vassals - their size is far too small to be represented on the EU map, and it would require around 1500 more tags in EU. If you want vassals, then you have to grant dutchies as a king.

I can't really comment on anything else, but I do believe the convertor will be looked at it later patches, especially as everything you've said isn't gamebreaking as yet.
 
NeilJT said:
The highest income provinces in CK become COT's in EU2 - its not randomised.
Thats not right. And how is that decided? My highest income provs in CK was naturally Byzantion, Venezia, Baghdad and Alexandria, non of those became CoTs. Instead Cyrencia, Syria and an Algerian(cant remember wich) prov became CoTs but they where all poor provs! Syria might be right, Palmyra is rich etc but the others? It might be becouse the others had a low efficiency tho... But still doesnt make sence coz Alexandria had high eff.

NeilJT said:
Counts will never become vassals - their size is far too small to be represented on the EU map, and it would require around 1500 more tags in EU. If you want vassals, then you have to grant dutchies as a king.
NO what I meant was, you should make vassals out of some of the counts. Holstien for example doesnt have a Duchy title in CK.
Also you need to change the prov ownage shit since it screws every ruler that isnt me!
 
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Thanks,

Cat