867 Persia Region

[eternalsteelfan]

Some differences between CK III and CK II in this region:

Same independent Zoroastrian realms exist in the region (Gilan and Gurgan formerly Karen) but they have no event or special troops anymore. Special troops in CK II scenario gave them a fighting chance, would probably be worth considering doing the same for III.

Tahirids and Saffarids are at war on game start as they were in II but the Tahirids are the aggressors instead of the Saffarids and they seem to just White Peace out quickly with their inferior levies. Per CK II, I believe the Saffarids are supposed to be the aggressors.

 

[Aeth3lfrith]

Nah, i think that CK3 version is better, with event troops zoroastrian are too easy. They must be pretty weak since it's around 250 years after muslim conquest.

 

[eternalsteelfan]

Nah, i think that CK3 version is better, with event troops zoroastrian are too easy. They must be pretty weak since it's around 250 years after muslim conquest.

On ironman, they aren't easy by any stretch of the imagination in II*. Unless you game Khorazm from the inside as a vassal or convert to Islam, you spend most of the game running Abbassid and Saffarid stacks around mountains attritioning until you wipe them repeatedly with mercenaries. Saffarids are missing both event troops and the starting war is a defensive war against Tahirids meaning they just sit on their hands until the Tahirids are beaten, then more handsitting as the truce runs.

edit* And then the Turks come. And then the Mongols come.

Non-replenishing event troops give Zoroastrians a chance to consolidate some land before you have to deal with the local monsters, without them Gilan (especially) and Kurgan have a much smaller chance to grow outside their demense and even get to the part of the game where you have to evade doomstacks. This will be especially bad if the Saffarids are corrected to be the aggressors in the starting war with the Tahirids. Most if not all of the usual suspects still have event troops in CK III: William the Bastard, Hardrada, Hastein, the Great Heathen Army, Alp Arslan with 10k event troops, Arpad decision; the Zoroastrians and Saffarids are outliers.

*Saoshyant achievement is 1.7% achieved on Steam

 

[Aeth3lfrith]

Will the Turks come in the current version? I have not seen them in the rules.

 

[Aeth3lfrith]

It's mine fifth run as Karen House and i finnaly understand how to minmax zoriastrian up to kingdom with tall strategy, that's so impressive and ultimately fun. I never felt it before in ck2. I consider these three rulers as nightmare difficulty without any "+20% to ai levy" and its great. I guess it's impossible to reach emipre without primogeniture so tall kingdom is the one way for Persia now.