A Desperate Call at the Gates of Glory: Discussion Thread

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A Desperate Call at the Gates of Glory: New campaign

Times: Tuesdays 20 CET - 24 CET

MAP: AoD 1.4 (with extra modifications to make it balanced)

Year: 1492

Rules:
-Province Rule (4 provinces per country, 6 per alliance (a block), this rule disappear in 1750)
-Vassals Rule (Loyalty) (?)
-Persian/han/cantonese/japanese Provinces locked until 1600,
-War Rule (-99 ws/-3 stab), (?)
-Alliance-Cooperative Countries Rule (Allies can't peace out until the leader does, cooperative ones count as allias for the Province Rule) (?)

Organizer: Pibe
Host: Pibe

We can have an AAR section but It's supposed diplomacy is useful to improve one's country. feel free to practise diplomacy or not.


Countries:
-----(needed)
England
France
Spain
OE
Austria
Russia
-----(optional)
Brandenburg
Sweden
Hungary/Netherlands
-----(if it proceeds)
Poland
Venice

If we count with a Hungary/Neth it'll recieve compensations, first Hungary in order to survive until 1540, then Netherlands being released in 1540 with extra cash/ships. Hungary is forced to cooperate with Austria.

It's possible we add/screw rules and modifications. up to the group.

Current Topics:
-should we Lock land slider?
-should we have Random leaders?

 

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Player List:

England: Bocaj
France: Trash ?
Spain: Aryus86
Austria: Arcorelli ?
Russia: Admiral Drake
Ottoman Empire: Pibe
Brandenburg: Available
Sweden: Available
Venice: Available
Portugal: Available
Hungary/Netherlands (1540): Green Beret

 

[admiral drake]

nice name pibe

sweden
russia
bb

is stil my preference

 

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nice name pibe

sweden
russia
bb

is stil my preference

thank you

 

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Spain
England
Portugal

-should we Lock land slider?
-should we have Random leaders?

No to both, I say.

 

[admiral drake]

Spain
England
Portugal


No to both, I say.

no ottos ? first time ever i see you ask england-port


edit nvm lol wasmixing you up with trash his new name ayysomething :wacko:

 

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no ottos ? first time ever i see you ask england-port

maybe it's time to see a naval Aryus

 

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we have a lot of available countries, let's set the starting date on tuesday 14th of March anyway.

 

[arcorelli]

Only declaring interest.

Austria / Brandenburg / Venice.

Under no circunstances, Portugal.

 

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great, one more and we would be good to start.

 

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guys, could you state which are your present thoughts about the topics?

it seems we'll have random leaders and unlocked land/naval sliders. but to be sure, I'll re-account votes again.

Starting Date: Next Tuesday 14th

 

[admiral drake]

indifferent to random leaders
yes to locked sliders

 

[arcorelli]

As Drake:

indifferent to random. I prefer locked sliders (and then I will build the first naval Austria of all time )

 

[admiral drake]

As Drake:

indifferent to random. I prefer locked sliders (and then I will build the first naval Austria of all time )

to late kj and hg already did that
and king johns fleet was a pain in the ass for england(me) even beat me twice iirc

result of landlocked slider = 4500ships lost by england by 1812 and 7000+ on austria side :wacko:

 

[arcorelli]

to late kj and hg already did that
and king johns fleet was a pain in the ass for england(me) even beat me twice iirc

result of landlocked slider = 4500ships lost by england by 1812 and 7000+ on austria side :wacko:

That is the best advertisement of landlocked slider ever.

 

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Yes to random leaders, and fairly indifferent to locked land slider.

 

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A few thoughts on the rules:

• With a vassal rule, how long will vassals need to stay just that?

• With a war rule, can this be subject to interpretation in some cases? Such as if someone takes all a nation's colonies and uses them as WS for gaining european provinces, I think that would be an abuse of the rule and shouldn't be applied in a case like this.

• With optional peace demands, can these be enforced by the GM if a nation renegs on them in a gamey manner since the game mechanics will not cover this?

• Alliance-Cooperation rule... is this necessary, and why?

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

Hello,

I told to drake I have work today, but I just get call it is moved to another day, so if you need I can be Sweden today. But I can't promise I will be permanent player.

 

[admiral drake]

Hello,

I told to drake I have work today, but I just get call it is moved to another day, so if you need I can be Sweden today. But I can't promise I will be permanent player.

well it beats ai sweden (tho i wouldn't mind that )

 

[admiral drake]

A few thoughts on the rules:

• With a vassal rule, how long will vassals need to stay just that?

• With a war rule, can this be subject to interpretation in some cases? Such as if someone takes all a nation's colonies and uses them as WS for gaining european provinces, I think that would be an abuse of the rule and shouldn't be applied in a case like this.

• With optional peace demands, can these be enforced by the GM if a nation renegs on them in a gamey manner since the game mechanics will not cover this?

• Alliance-Cooperation rule... is this necessary, and why?

my opinion

VASSALS
if your forcevassalt you should stay that way for a while (25years ?)
shouldn't be alowed to fight for your freedom if the overlord is in the midle of a major war either (for example dutch vassal of austria , austria atwar with ottos and france, dutch use it t get away with breaking vassal cheap )

-it should be possible to for example ally with somebody so you can fight for your freedom tho but joining a war halfway just to get away with a easy freedom is lame

WAR RULE

- if you do a war rule and max provs taken or lost MAKE SURE YOU DO CAN LOOSE """ PROVS IN A WAR not the oposite

if you do can take 3provs in a war you just promote gangbangs so each player can take 3provs from 1player

my suggestion would be you can loose max 3provs to 1player in war and 5max in alliance war so they can't gang you and take 10-15provs

it does promote alliance wars since you can do 2vs2 and the loosing side can each loose """ provs just doesn't promote to many 2vs1/3vs1 wars

With optional peace demands

i think they should be enforced and you should be alowed to demand things that can be edited in

for example me as russia would wan't to convert sweden to orthodox,
if i win a total victory over sweden it should be possible to be edited in.

now if somebody else desides to try and liberate sweden and return him to protestantism or get him to catholicism you can do that by edit to if that person wins over sweden(tho it should be viewed that the person under attack should always fight for reall, loosing on purpose would be gamey and lame)

also if your forcevassalt for 25years you should definatly not be alowed to break it in any way(before 25years passed) or use the vassal against the overlord (dowing his other vassals while he can't dow you without breaking vassal to defend his ai or playervassals)

alliances
There should be no alliance rules at all ever xept for the part that gm should be able to break up really gamebreaking alliances (and if gm is involved in 1 rest should be alowed to vote on it)



my 2cent