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Hello and welcome to A Nation Divided!


General Game Concept:

The game will start right after South Carolina’s secession from the Union. The main gameplay of the game would be where the players play the state itself. The players would exist as independent entities free to make their own internal decisions as long as they are not crazy or make no sense whatsoever. They will have to answer to the President of either the Confederacy or the Union who will be able to deal with the policies in general and things such as drafting and their foreign relations. At the beginning the states would be either one way or another and could stay or leave. However if you are a state such as Georgia or Mississippi then good luck with staying in the Union. Now some will be left up to chance and might go differently such as Kentucky or Maryland. There would be a stat for this depicting more indepth who supports who in their state. Ultimately the player would make the decision on whether to leave or stay but it is recommended to go on what the states policies internally and what the people inside the states support. Each of the states will have their own economy which would be influenced by the amount of slaves said state has and if they are under blockade, plus a variety of other factors.

Game play:
The states would be able to send in one order to do some internal things and then a war order on where their states troops will go and what they will do. However the presidents of the CSA and the Union would be players and would have to organize the sates. This includes merging states armies and sending them somewhere to fight or secure an objective. Though states can take independent war actions it is not recommended to go without another state's help. There is no army level or anything because of the short period of the American Civil war it would cover as the war may be only a year but may last 6 years somehow. A turn is a month but the first turn will be a year long up until actually fighting happens. One more thing to note is that the Presidents would be GM appoint as it would require a lot of organization to get things to actually run well. Battles however will be handled with battle updates and a main update for all the states in internal decisions.


How Slavery will be represented:

Slavery would be listed as a separate population in the state that the slaves currently are in. Now the states cannot recruit the slaves but that will depend on some factors such as what state it is, how importantly they need their slaves, or how they see their slaves. For example if a state manages to get the populace to see slaves as some type of person with the slaves willing to serve than they can go for it and the state can recruit them. For the CSA though this will be tough to do and most likely impossible. However if the Union has Maryland or Kentucky then for those states it just might be possible. Though every turn each state may get a fluctuation in slave population which may either go up or down depending on if slaves run away or just simply die of some disease.


Orders:

Each state gets 1 internal order and 1 war order. The internal order can be used for raising troops or doing something politically while the war order for troop movements and detailed battle plans. Now the Presidents each get 3 orders, they can use these order anyway they would like to with 2 war orders. The fleets in case you are wondering will be directed by the presidents but the riverboats will be included and known as there for use by troops.

How battles will work:

The battles outcome will be dependent on four things, the terrain of the battle, if an army is prepared, the size of the army, and their cohesion (by this I mean if 2 different states troops weren't expecting the other states troops to help). I will then include it in a mini war update as well as partially in a main update which will cover a month at a time.


Stats:

Population: How many people live inside your state.

Slave Population: How many slaves live in your state.

Size of Economy: How large your in state economy is that influences income.

Income: How much general money you get per turn.

Treasury: Your bank pretty much.

Support: Closer to one is for more CSA support closer to ten is more Union support.

Regulars: You're trained and main staple troops to use.

Militia: Mobilized men, armed mobs, partisans, and pretty much any type of troops not really formally trained.

Upkeep: How much money you pay in order to maintain your population and troops.

Gross Income: How much money you make after upkeep is subtracted from income.




Note: This post will be expanded on later if more explanation is required.
 
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First Turn Stats

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Virginia- Maxwell500

Tennessee- GreatUberGeek
North Carolina- Noco
Arkansas- Plutonium95
Alabama
Florida
Mississippi- Jako473
Delaware
Maryland
Indiana- Harpsichord
Georgia- Firelordsky
South Carolina- JoGa
Texas- Aedan
New York- Eastern Bloc
Pennsylvania- Alexander
Massachusetts- Bialaska
Kentucky- Zex
Missouri- AsdfeZxcas
California- Spectre17
Ohio- XVG
Illinois- Matth34
Louisiana- iisbroke
Territory of New Mexico- Hax
Union Secretary of State- Jeeshadow
President of the Confederates (When Available next turn)- Ab Ovo
President of the Union- Baboush

Note: Support closer to 1 is for Confederates closer to 10 for Union.
 
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Tensions are high. There have even been talks of a war between the states. If such a war was to occur, which it very well might, I promise to respect the will of Missourians and the rights of the people within. It is not the government's place to rob a citizen's rightful property, and will defend that property if it comes down to it, as it's my duty as governor of this state.

-Governor Jackson of Missouri
 
GM note: When most people report in (by this I mean IC to this thread) the orders will be due Friday for all the states and if your state will leave the Union in your orders.
 
((Just to say, I'm switching to Indiana if that's ok to allow Zex to be Kentucky))
 
((So every member post their orders here in the thread and not via PMs? This is my second RP game, that is why I choosed New Mexico.))

Send orders via Pm's and if you want you can go here

http://www.coldfront.net/tiramisu/

Choose flash client if prompted

and in the chatbox at the bottom type in

/j #civilwar

This is the IRC channel where most of the OOC discussion will happen you don't have to join but its usually recommended.
 
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June 16, 1858 Senate Campaign Trail

Mr. President and Gentlemen of the Convention.

If we could first know where we are, and whither we are tending, we could then better judge what to do, and how to do it.

We are now far into the fifth year, since a policy was initiated, with the avowed object, and confident promise, of putting an end to slavery agitation.

Under the operation of that policy, that agitation has not only, not ceased, but has constantly augmented.

In my opinion, it will not cease, until a crisis shall have been reached, and passed.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free.

I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided.

It will become all one thing or all the other.

Either the opponents of slavery, will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new -- North as well as South.

Have we no tendency to the latter condition?

Let any one who doubts, carefully contemplate that now almost complete legal combination -- piece of machinery so to speak -- compounded of the Nebraska doctrine, and the Dred Scott decision. Let him consider not only what work the machinery is adapted to do, and how well adapted; but also, let him study the history of its construction, and trace, if he can, or rather fail, if he can, to trace the evidence of design and concert of action, among its chief architects, from the beginning.

But, so far, Congress only, had acted; and an indorsement by the people, real or apparent, was indispensable, to save the point already gained, and give chance for more.

The new year of 1854 found slavery excluded from more than half the States by State Constitutions, and from most of the national territory by congressional prohibition.

Four days later, commenced the struggle, which ended in repealing that congressional prohibition.

This opened all the national territory to slavery, and was the first point gained.

This necessity had not been overlooked; but had been provided for, as well as might be, in the notable argument of "squatter sovereignty," otherwise called "sacred right of self government," which latter phrase, though expressive of the only rightful basis of any government, was so perverted in this attempted use of it as to amount to just this: That if any one man, choose to enslave another, no third man shall be allowed to object.

That argument was incorporated into the Nebraska bill itself, in the language which follows: "It being the true intent and meaning of this act not to legislate slavery into any Territory or state, not to exclude it therefrom; but to leave the people thereof perfectly free to form and regulate their domestic institutions in their own way, subject only to the Constitution of the United States."

Then opened the roar of loose declamation in favor of "Squatter Sovereignty," and "Sacred right of self-government."

"But," said opposition members, "let us be more specific -- let us amend the bill so as to expressly declare that the people of the territory may exclude slavery." "Not we," said the friends of the measure; and down they voted the amendment.

While the Nebraska Bill was passing through congress, a law case involving the question of a negroe's freedom, by reason of his owner having voluntarily taken him first into a free state and then a territory covered by the congressional prohibition, and held him as a slave, for a long time in each, was passing through the U.S. Circuit Court for the District of Missouri; and both Nebraska bill and law suit were brought to a decision in the same month of May, 1854. The negroe's name was "Dred Scott," which name now designates the decision finally made in the case.

Before the then next Presidential election, the law case came to, and was argued in, the Supreme Court of the United States; but the decision of it was deferred until after the election. Still, before the election, Senator Trumbull, on the floor of the Senate, requests the leading advocate of the Nebraska bill to state his opinion whether the people of a territory can constitutionally exclude slavery from their limits; and the latter answers: "That is a question for the Supreme Court."

The election came. Mr. Buchanan was elected, and the indorsement, such as it was, secured. That was the second point gained. The indorsement, however, fell short of a clear popular majority by nearly four hundred thousand votes, and so, perhaps, was not overwhelmingly reliable and satisfactory.

The outgoing President, in his last annual message, as impressively as possible, echoed back upon the people the weight and authority of the indorsement.

The Supreme Court met again; did not announce their decision, but ordered a re-argument.

The Presidential inauguration came, and still no decision of the court; but the incoming President, in his inaugural address, fervently exhorted the people to abide by the forthcoming decision, whatever might be.

Then, in a few days, came the decision.

The reputed author of the Nebraska Bill finds an early occasion to make a speech at this capital indorsing the Dred Scott Decision, and vehemently denouncing all opposition to it.

The new President, too, seizes the early occasion of the Silliman letter to indorse and strongly construe that decision, and to express his astonishment that any different view had ever been entertained.

At length a squabble springs up between the President and the author of the Nebraska Bill, on the mere question of fact, whether the Lecompton constitution was or was not, in any just sense, made by the people of Kansas; and in that squabble the latter declares that all he wants is a fair vote for the people, and that he cares not whether slavery be voted down or voted up. I do not understand his declaration that he cares not whether slavery be voted down or voted up, to be intended by him other than as an apt definition of the policy he would impress upon the public mind -- the principle for which he declares he has suffered much, and is ready to suffer to the end.

And well may he cling to that principle. If he has any parental feeling, well may he cling to it. That principle, is the only shred left of his original Nebraska doctrine. Under the Dred Scott decision, "squatter sovereignty" squatted out of existence, tumbled down like temporary scaffolding -- like the mould at the foundry served through one blast and fell back into loose sand -- helped to carry an election, and then was kicked to the winds. His late joint struggle with the Republicans, against the Lecompton Constitution, involves nothing of the original Nebraska doctrine. That struggle was made on a point, the right of a people to make their own constitution, upon which he and the Republicans have never differed.

The several points of the Dred Scott decision, in connection with Senator Douglas' "care-not" policy, constitute the piece of machinery, in its present state of advancement. This was the third point gained.

\ The working points of that machinery are:

First, that no negro slave, imported as such from Africa, and no descendant of such slave can ever be a citizen of any State, in the sense of that term as used in the Constitution of the United States.

This point is made in order to deprive the negro, in every possible event, of the benefit of this provision of the United States Constitution, which declares that--

"The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States."

Secondly, that "subject to the Constitution of the United States," neither Congress nor a Territorial Legislature can exclude slavery from any United States Territory.

This point is made in order that individual men may fill up the territories with slaves, without danger of losing them as property, and thus to enhance the chances of permanency to the institution through all the future.

Thirdly, that whether the holding a negro in actual slavery in a free State, makes him free, as against the holder, the United States courts will not decide, but will leave to be decided by the courts of any slave State the negro may be forced into by the master.

This point is made, not to be pressed immediately; but, if acquiesced in for a while, and apparently indorsed by the people at an election, then to sustain the logical conclusion that what Dred Scott's master might lawfully do with Dred Scott, in the free State of Illinois, every other master may lawfully do with any other one, or one thousand slaves, in Illinois, or in any other free State.

Auxiliary to all this, and working hand in hand with it, the Nebraska doctrine, or what is left of it, is to educate and mould public opinion, at least Northern public opinion, to not care whether slavery is voted down or voted up.

This shows exactly where we now are; and partially, also, whither we are tending.

It will throw additional light on the latter, to go back, and run the mind over the string of historical facts already stated. Several things will now appear less dark and mysterious than they did when they were transpiring. The people were to be left "perfectly free" "subject only to the Constitution." What the Constitution had to do with it, outsiders could not then see. Plainly enough now, it was an exactly fitted niche, for the Dred Scott decision to afterward come in, and declare the perfect freedom of the people, to be just no freedom at all.

Why was the amendment, expressly declaring the right of the people to exclude slavery, voted down? Plainly enough now, the adoption of it would have spoiled the niche for the Dred Scott decision.

Why was the court decision held up? Why even a Senator's individual opinion withheld, till after the presidential election? Plainly enough now, the speaking out then would have damaged the "perfectly free" argument upon which the election was to be carried.

Why the outgoing President's felicitation on the indorsement? Why the delay of a reargument? Why the incoming President's advance exhortation in favor of the decision?

These things look like the cautious patting and petting of a spirited horse, preparatory to mounting him, when it is dreaded that he may give the rider a fall.

And why the hasty after indorsements of the decision by the President and others?

We can not absolutely know that all these exact adaptations are the result of preconcert. But when we see a lot of framed timbers, different portions of which we know have been gotten out at different times and places and by different workmen -- Stephen, Franklin, Roger, and James, for instance -- and when we see these timbers joined together, and see they exactly make the frame of a house or a mill, all the tenons and mortices exactly fitting, and all the lengths and proportions of the different pieces exactly adapted to their respective places, and not a piece too many or too few -- not omitting even scaffolding -- or, if a single piece be lacking, we can see the place in the frame exactly fitted and prepared to yet bring such piece in -- in such a case, we find it impossible not to believe that Stephen and Franklin and Roger and James all understood one another from the beginning, and all worked upon a common plan or draft drawn up before the first lick was struck.

It should not be overlooked that, by the Nebraska Bill, the people of a State, as well as Territory, were to be left "perfectly free" "subject only to the Constitution."

Why mention a State? They were legislating for territories, and not for or about States. Certainly the people of a State are and ought to be subject to the Constitution of the United States; but why is mention of this lugged into this merely territorial law? Why are the people of a territory and the people of a state therein lumped together, and their relation to the Constitution therein treated as being precisely the same?

While the opinion of the Court, by Chief Justice Taney, in the Dred Scott case, and the separate opinions of all the concurring Judges, expressly declare that the Constitution of the United States neither permits Congress nor a Territorial legislature to exclude slavery from any United States territory, they all omit to declare whether or not the same Constitution permits a state, or the people of a State, to exclude it.

Possibly, this is a mere omission; but who can be quite sure, if McLean or Curtis had sought to get into the opinion a declaration of unlimited power in the people of a state to exclude slavery from their limits, just as Chase and Macy sought to get such declaration, in behalf of the people of a territory, into the Nebraska bill -- I ask, who can be quite sure that it would not have been voted down, in the one case, as it had been in the other.

The nearest approach to the point of declaring the power of a State over slavery, is made by Judge Nelson. He approaches it more than once, using the precise idea, and almost the language too, of the Nebraska act. On one occasion his exact language is, "except in cases where the power is restrained by the Constitution of the United States, the law of the State is supreme over the subject of slavery within its jurisdiction."

In what cases the power of the states is so restrained by the U.S. Constitution, is left an open question, precisely as the same question, as to the restraint on the power of the territories was left open in the Nebraska act. Put that and that together, and we have another nice little niche, which we may, ere long, see filled with another Supreme Court decision, declaring that the Constitution of the United States does not permit a state to exclude slavery from its limits.

And this may especially be expected if the doctrine of "care not whether slavery be voted down or voted up, shall gain upon the public mind sufficiently to give promise that such a decision an be maintained when made.

Such a decision is all that slavery now lacks of being alike lawful in all the States.

Welcome, or unwelcome, such decision is probably coming, and will soon be upon us, unless the power of the present political dynasty shall be met and overthrown.

We shall lie down pleasantly dreaming that the people of Missouri are on the verge of making their State free; and we shall awake to the reality, instead, that the Supreme Court has made Illinois a slave State.

To meet and overthrow the power of that dynasty, is the work now before all those who would prevent that consummation.

This is what we have to do.

But how can we best do it?

There are those who denounce us openly to their own friends, and yet whisper us softly, that Senator Douglas is the aptest instrument there is, with which to effect that object. They wish us to infer all, from the facts, that he now has a little quarrel with the present head of the dynasty; and that he has regularly voted with us, on a single point, upon which, he and we, have never differed.

They remind us that he is a great man, and that the largest of us are very small ones. Let this be granted. But "a living dog is better than a dead lion." Judge Douglas, if not a dead lion for this work, is at least a caged and toothless one. How can he oppose the advances of slavery? He don't care anything about it. His avowed mission is impressing the "public heart" to care nothing about it.

A leading Douglas Democratic newspaper thinks Douglas' superior talent will be needed to resist the revival of the African slave trade.

Does Douglas believe an effort to revive that trade is approaching? He has not said so. Does he really think so? But if it is, how can he resist it? For years he has labored to prove it a sacred right of white men to take negro slaves into the new territories. Can he possibly show that it is less a sacred right to buy them where they can be bought cheapest? And, unquestionably they can be bought cheaper in Africa than in Virginia.

He has done all in his power to reduce the whole question of slavery to one of a mere right of property; and as such, how can he oppose the foreign slave trade -- how can he refuse that trade in that "property" shall be "perfectly free" -- unless he does it as a protection to the home production? And as the home producers will probably not ask the protection, he will be wholly without a ground of opposition.

Senator Douglas holds, we know, that a man may rightfully be wiser to-day than he was yesterday -- that he may rightfully change when he finds himself wrong.

But can we, for that reason, run ahead, and infer that he will make any particular change, of which he, himself, has given no intimation? Can we safely base our action upon any such vague inference?

Now, as ever, I wish not to misrepresent Judge Douglas' position, question his motives, or do ought that can be personally offensive to him.

Whenever, if ever, he and we can come together on principle so that our great cause may have assistance from his great ability, I hope to have interposed no adventitious obstacle.

But clearly, he is not now with us -- he does not pretend to be -- he does not promise to ever be.

Our cause, then, must be intrusted to, and conducted by its own undoubted friends -- those whose hands are free, whose hearts are in the work -- who do care for the result.

Two years ago the Republicans of the nation mustered over thirteen hundred thousand strong.

We did this under the single impulse of resistance to a common danger, with every external circumstance against us.

Of strange, discordant, and even, hostile elements, we gathered from the four winds, and formed and fought the battle through, under the constant hot fire of a disciplined, proud, and pampered enemy.

Did we brave all then to falter now? -- now -- when that same enemy is wavering, dissevered and belligerent?

The result is not doubtful. We shall not fail -- if we stand firm, we shall not fail.

Wise councils may accelerate or mistakes delay it, but, sooner or later the victory is sure to come.
 
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State of the State Address from New York City

"Fellow New Yorkers,
As the Governor of New York I've been granted one of the best office in the state, in one of the great states in These United States. However, their is a looming threat brewing deep down in the South, people are losing faith in their Union. Some Dixie folk would rather prefer a Slavocracy concealed behind States Rights than staying apart of the most democratic nation in the world. I can assure you we'll be sticking closely with our Northern brothers in our great Union. Some of you may think that what goes down on in the South has little to do with the affairs of New York and it's people. But New Yorkers, secession is the threat that weakens our Union which New York is gladly apart of. It threatens our economy, our liberty, and the Northern population as a whole. I feel I speak for everyone here when I think that our President Lincoln is the right man to set these fools straight, and I myself will stand behind himself to benefit New York, the North, and the Union. We are apart of the land of freedom and opportunity, whereas in the South not everyone can meet eye to eye, being in chains after all. In New York you don't get judged whether you're Yankee, Irish, German, Jewish or anyone, and we should all be proud of that. If the South feels it doesn't want to be united and free, it seems we'll have to deliver some New Yorker freedom and unity personally. New York is a free state that fought for the nation's independence was one of the cornerstones of the nation's growth, and God help us we're going to hold that promise to our Founding Fathers and our glorious Union. We have, will, and always shall stand against treachery to our brave old flag that bears the stripes and stars.

Southern treachery and slavery are both fires from the same source that will burn the Union if not controlled, and we'll stand with President Lincoln and the rest of the Free States if we need to put it out."

- Governor Edwin D. Morgan of New York

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GM Note: I accept the switch around :)
 
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Francis Wilkinson Pickens, Governor of South Carolina

With the election of the Republican Abraham Lincoln it has become clear that in order to preserve our best interests and way of life we must sever all ties with the United States. I call on other like-minded states across the continent to follow our example and cut away from this unconstitutional
government! We need a government that protects the rights of states, not one that flies in the face of the core principles the nation was founded on.

We hope to hear from representatives of other states soon, but regardless South Carolina has cut herself away from the United States and shall
continue on without her.



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Arkansas had 111,115 slaves. Not 11,115. The economic value of Texas is vastly overstated. Same with Florida.
 
((Not entirely sure if the deep south states need a roll to secede if so I will delete or revise this post))

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Thomas Overton Moore, Governor of Louisiana

These hostilities against us slave-holder states is a crime of unconstitutionality, the venerable Congress of Washington has done all it can to prevent escalation but they have fallen short of said goal. The Bill of Rights was created to provide us states the respect and autonomy we desired. I do not advocate war, but to secede from our Northern brethren and live peacefully in the aforementioned autonomy the Constitution...[the law of the land]... gives. While I can never speak for the whole of my fellow Southern states, I will say this, while peaceful coexistence as a separate entity is our desire, we will defend ourselves should our secession not be recognized as a lawful act by Washington.

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Accepted Pluto, and I will fix the stats as Fry had pointed out that they were wrong.
 
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A missive from the Governor of Tennessee, Isham B. Harris​

This great shadow of a civil war has fallen over the nation. Many among us are questioning our faith in the Union, in God, and in slavery. However, I say we cast aside our differences and try to seek a responsible and democratic alternative to war. If it is not possible, then we will gladly go into the arms of our Southern brothers.

Signed by the governor of Tennessee
Isham B. Harris, loyal American and defender of Freedom​
 
I do not seek a violent solution to this problem; I would see the states come together in peaceful union. Yet if the southern states betray our laws and our faith and leave us with no other choice, I will stand by our Union whether it be the pen or sword that we wield.

Oliver P. Morton, Governor of Indiana
 
Just a note but those states who are attending wherever the convention is to organize the Confederacy can just IC it.