A Presidential Thread

[Jopa79]

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Oh, Yes...the below characters have all been Presidents, one of them, currently a sitting President. Can you recognize them, or do you know their names?

Feel free to comment, or share your own leaders

 

[noobermenschen]

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Oh, Yes...the above characters have all been Presidents, one of them, currently a sitting President. Can you recognize them, or do you know their names?

Feel free to comment, or share your own leaders

I only recognized Mannerheim after reading about his wartime heroics, and Kekkonen after watching him lead young Jedi to the Dark Side.

I thought Finland had a young lady as President but apparently she is Prime Minister. Which office calls the shots?

 

[Jopa79]

I thought Finland had a young lady as President but apparently she is Prime Minister. Which office calls the shots?

Yes, Mrs. Sanna Marin. In 2019, while the Marin Cabinet took the office, Marin herself was the youngest Finnish Prime Minister ever and the youngest sitting Prime Minister in the world.

The cabinet has been criticized for instance, while being female-dominated and handling the current pandemic matter. In May 2021, the Finnish media made "brouhaha" headlines, Marin taking benefit of the exempt-on-taxation-breakfasts while living in her official residence. Marin has replied, she'll compensate this favor, which is granted to her, and to the earlier Finnish Prime Ministers.

Maybe there are some minor issues to be noted while considering Marin's cabinet in office, but still, I would give a good grade for them.

 

[JodelDiplom]

I only recognized Mannerheim after reading about his wartime heroics, and Kekkonen after watching him lead young Jedi to the Dark Side.

I thought Finland had a young lady as President but apparently she is Prime Minister. Which office calls the shots?

Wait, wasn't Mannerheim black? I thought I watched a movie about him

 

[Jopa79]

Wait, wasn't Mannerheim black? I thought I watched a movie about him

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Now, I'm confused

 

[JodelDiplom]

Now, I'm confused

Movies never lie!

I learned that from a movie

 

[Jopa79]

Now this project is complete, at least, it includes all the portraits referred to in.

 

[Jopa79]

The cabinet has been criticized for instance, while being female-dominated and handling the current pandemic matter. In May 2021, the Finnish media made "brouhaha" headlines, Marin taking benefit of the exempt-on-taxation-breakfasts while living in her official residence. Marin has replied, she'll compensate this favor, which is granted to her, and to the earlier Finnish Prime Ministers.

Today, Marin is criticized by the broadcasting companies due to her comments on social media while she promoted and said a small praise on about a bag - manufactured by a Finnish company.

This is exactly the reason why our identity says, in social situations, one should be gently quiet, that's how you give a wise and dignified looks...and most importantly, while being silent, not even by accident, you won't say anything stupid and lose your prestige

 

[Acheron]

Wait, wasn't Mannerheim black? I thought I watched a movie about him

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How big was the outrage in Finland over a black guy playing Mannerheim?

I mean no offense, but I believe there were folks who threw a fit about someone black playing Spiderman, a fictional character!

 

[Jopa79]

How big was the outrage in Finland over a black guy playing Mannerheim?

I mean no offense, but I believe there were folks who threw a fit about someone black playing Spiderman, a fictional character!

It’s been a while since releasing the movie. I cannot say, that there was signs of outrage, but the reactions surely were negative. The movie was experience as a bluff and as collecting money by distorting actual events, at least considering Mannerheim himself.

I cannot personally recognize the movie as Mannerheim is pictured as a black man. It’s like making movie about Jesse Owens and claiming he was white. I’m quite sure, it would also emerge counter-reactions.

 

[JodelDiplom]

How big was the outrage in Finland over a black guy playing Mannerheim?

I mean no offense, but I believe there were folks who threw a fit about someone black playing Spiderman, a fictional character!

A few Finns shook their heads.
Some looked angrily, and then shook their heads.
One Finn even shed a silent tear, before turning his head away, and drinking a glass of vodka.

In other words, national emotional breakdown. By Finnish standards.

 

[Acheron]

Must say, apart from the skin color, the actor has IMHO the looks for playing Mannerheim. He looks rather wiry, serious, determined. I wonder if him being black could work in favor of a movie by making him and therefor his character stand out more. Just a thought.

 

[Jopa79]

A few Finns shook their heads.
Some looked angrily, and then shook their heads.
One Finn even shed a silent tear, before turning his head away, and drinking a glass of vodka.

In other words, national emotional breakdown. By Finnish standards.

Almost correct, but instead of drinking some vodka, they preferred pouring Koskenkorva in their glasses

 

[Jopa79]

Mannerheim smoking a cigar.

A British officer for the Special Operations Executive, Sir Cristopher Lee was present at Mannerheim’s 75th birthday in 1942. Also, unexpectedly, Adolf Hitler visited the party too. Lee tells us, while Hitler hated smoking cigars and while enjoying of the birthday dinner, Mannerheim was smoking, he further blew the cigar smoke right on Hitler’s face. The Third Reich leader didn’t quite like it, obviously.

 

[JodelDiplom]

Must say, apart from the skin color, the actor has IMHO the looks for playing Mannerheim. He looks rather wiry, serious, determined. I wonder if him being black could work in favor of a movie by making him and therefor his character stand out more. Just a thought.

Movies are art, not documentation of some assumed reality. If picking a black actor for the main protagonist of a movie is the choice to make him stand out visually, in each and every scene he is in, then that might be just the director's intention

 

[Jopa79]

Movies are art, not documentation of some assumed reality. If picking a black actor for the main protagonist of a movie is the choice to make him stand out visually, in each and every scene he is in, then that might be just the director's intention

Yes, movies are art and some of them, masterpieces, but this exact movie is about Mannerheim and the authors of this film are very well aware about the historical and the global events which the film concerns.

By putting a black man to act as Mannerheim, it is a conscious choice. But while doing so, the authors are also giving misleading information about the actual happenings. There's a chance, the movie will be mixed with the actual, historical happenings and in a hundred years, they will think, Mannerheim was actually a black.

To sharpen what I mean, if someone made a movie, mixing the roles in which we know as the trans-Atlantic trade. How would that look alike?

 

[JodelDiplom]

Yes, movies are art and some of them, masterpieces, but this exact movie is about Mannerheim and the authors of this film are very well aware about the historical and the global events which the film concerns.

No one was insinuating they weren't

By putting a black man to act as Mannerheim, it is a conscious choice. But while doing so, the authors are also giving misleading information about the actual happenings. There's a chance, the movie will be mixed with the actual, historical happenings and in a hundred years, they will think, Mannerheim was actually a black.

Nonsense, as long as Mannerheim has a properly mustache'd portrait in hearts of Iron, people will still recognize his likeness in a thousand years.

To sharpen what I mean, if someone made a movie, mixing the roles in which we know as the trans-Atlantic trade. How would that look alike?

Depends? What would be the artistic intention? I could imagine that a movie about slave trade where the black / white roles are swapped, could be quite an impressive work to watch. A mind bender perhaps

 

[Jopa79]

No one was insinuating they weren't

My point here was, the authors are distorting what actually happened. Because of the movie, some might think, Finland had already a minority in African culture already during the WWII. That didn't happen.

Nonsense, as long as Mannerheim has a properly mustache'd portrait in hearts of Iron, people will still recognize his likeness in a thousand years.

I wouldn't take HOI my priority source while studying history.

Depends? What would be the artistic intention?

The intention would be just like it happened actually, only the roles of white and black people are mixed.

 

[Acheron]

While I dislike movies getting historical facts wrong, casting a black man as Mannerheim strangely does not sit poorly with me. Maybe because it is so obvious that no harm is to be expected from it.

 

[JodelDiplom]

My point here was, the authors are distorting what actually happened. Because of the movie, some might think, Finland had already a minority in African culture already during the WWII. That didn't happen.

You have such low trust in people

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I wouldn't take HOI my priority source while studying history.

HOI being a cultural reference for the next thousand years, that was hyperbole and jest, Jopa.

The intention would be just like it happened actually, only the roles of white and black people are mixed.

"just like it happened"

You are miles away from understanding that movies, or books, or any attempt to represent the past, Never show "just the truth". That's an impossibility both for practical reasons (budget, cast and production limitations) as well as the larger problem that also on a philosophical level, perfect representation of the past is impossible.