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AA should give the defenders a bonus against ARM and MEC.
In books you always read how the germans used there FLAK 88 against tanks but in the HOI2 the amount of AA in a province doesn't change a thing in the defence of that province.

Maybe for every 1 AA the attacking ARM gets a 2% penalty...
 
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That would require changing the game code, and thus won't be done. I also believe that AA brigades already add some hard attack, so the point about using province AA (which anyway represents things like flak towers and such was quite useless against armor) against tanks is pretty much moot.
 
Zuckergußgebäck said:
That would require changing the game code, and thus won't be done. I also believe that AA brigades already add some hard attack, so the point about using province AA (which anyway represents things like flak towers and such was quite useless against armor) against tanks is pretty much moot.
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Flak towers useless against armor? You should read a few books about the battle of Berlin. The flak towers where true fortresses that held out against almoste everything and destroyed alot of tanks...

I know AA brigades add some hard attack but AA brigades represent AA on halftracks not stationary AA that had a huge toll and allied tanks...
 
They were used as fortresses, yes. But that is the role of land forts, not AA.

AA brigades represents vehicles as the Wirbelwind and and Möbelwagen, but it also includes 88s towed behind trucks and half-tracks - exactly the thing you are looking for.
 
Yes, i know but IRL you would use the FLAK that is just standing there in the defence of your position. Not leaving it there to be captured by the enemy...
 
Well, yes. But since it isn't going to be done, it isn't really worth arguing about it. I agree to some parts of your argument, but I think we are trying to go too deep into microrealism here, adding "realism" for no better purpose than to add it and make the list of battle modifiers even longer.
 
Zuckergußgebäck said:
They were used as fortresses, yes. But that is the role of land forts, not AA.

AA brigades represents vehicles as the Wirbelwind and and Möbelwagen, but it also includes 88s towed behind trucks and half-tracks - exactly the thing you are looking for.
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Might add in the West by 1945 the only real opposition the US army encountered was from various Luftwaffe flak brigades. When the US army approach they would turn their heavy AA guns from aiming at B-17 to the lead tanks. It was a good thing they had hardly any infantry support and where immobile.
 
Other countries didn't use their AA guns in an antitank way though, it was a pure German thing.
Even though they could, cause England had some pretty decent AA guns which could be used as AT guns, but they didn't.
 
zeekater said:
Other countries didn't use their AA guns in an antitank way though, it was a pure German thing.
Even though they could, cause England had some pretty decent AA guns which could be used as AT guns, but they didn't.
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Maybe that was because there where no Axis tanks running around England...
 
zeekater said:
In north africa the English could've used their AA guns in a similar fashion as Rommel did with his 88's, but they didn't.
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That was primarily because they didn't anticipate the need prewar and design, mass produce, ship, and store an AT shell for those guns. The British choose to have more AA shells available for the guns primary role. A decision that, in retrospect, was clearly wrong but an understandable one at the time. Especially considering that when they made the decision the German had only Pz. I's and II's available in quantity and virtually any AT weapon was effective against them.
 
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