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The event firing after the Turks have captured it should not change the culture in it to Turkish. This should happen later propably in the 16th or 17th century.

Reasons why:

1.Turkish have the Greek culture so it will not hurt them.
2.If you recapture it as Duchy of Athens or Venice it remains Turkish.
3.It was not turned into Turkish straight away it took some time. Logic, yes?
 
Originally posted by dictator

3.It was not turned into Turkish straight away it took some time. Logic, yes?
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From what I can tell the population went from under 100,000 in 1453 to 200,000 by 1500, so I think it happened pretty quickly.
 
I recall the event saying that Constantinople was virtually depopulated at the time it fell, yet grew again quickly. Was there a Greek exodus from the city, followed by massive Turkish immigration? Was there a civilian slaughter? Mass conversions? :confused:
 
The populace fled Constantinople to avoid massacre and found refuge in Thace,the Aegean,Mystra and Italy(richer refugees).
The Conqueror,after seeing the City was virtually depopulated,set Gennadios as the first patriarch and invited the population back,guaranteing their lives and fortunes.
The people believed him and repopulated Constantinople.It is believd that around 1461(when Mystra fell),the city's population was half the pre1453,but mostly greek.
Only around the 1550's theturkish element acquired local majority.I agree Polis should remain "greek" until that time.
 
What about the religion of Thrace after Ottoman conquest?
If I understand the guidelines of religious determination of a province among the gamedevelopers, the culture and religion of a province is based on it's capital.
As I understand it Constantinople was also populated by many Armenians, other christians and Jews after the Ottoman conquest.
 
That is quite true.Those minorities were not big though.
Religiously speaking,the city was predominantly christian to the early 1500's.Then,it became a secondary center of the muslim religion.
 
Constantinople should not turn directly to turkish/muslim. It should be a longer process.
 
Originally posted by Kaeso
Constantinople should not turn directly to turkish/muslim. It should be a longer process.
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I totally agree.There should be an event occuring about half a century after turkish conquest.That would give the chance for resurrectional events against the turks...
 
Originally posted by dictator
So, we all agree then.
To whom should I send PM to?
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There isn't really anyone to send a PM to, but there are a few actions you could take.

You could make a post about it in the bug thread, although its more of a WaD then a bug.

You could post a fix in this thread yourself, or at least explicity lay out what should happen.

Or, since the EEP is at the current moment on a hiatus from further development, you could post about this in the AGC-EEP merger forum.

:)
 
Originally posted by dictator
So, we all agree then.
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Well I'm unconvinced. From what I can tell we the following is the case

Prior to 1453 the popualtion of Constantinople was about 100,000.

After the fall there was a largish drop in the population.

In 1500 the population of Constantinople was around 200,000.

Which implies to me that the event ought to take place less than 50 years after the fall of Constantinople. Which raises a couple of questions.

-How do we determine how long it has been since the 'City of Man's desire' event? This is not an easy thing to do, and I have though a lot about similar problems. Having the event in 1500 just seems silly to me, why should the Ottomans wait 80 years if they take the city early? Why should they get the event immediately if they take it late?
-Is it really worth all this trouble for an event that ought to happen rather soon after the fall of Constantinople?
 
BTW province reapreasant not only Constantinople, but whole Thrace! Adrianopole/Edirne was a Ottoman capital c.90 years before 1453 so I suppose that many Turks lived there...

EDIT: on one side I founded that Constantinople by the times of Mehmed`s invasion has 50k inhabitians, and by 1530 it was more than a million. Of course this may be a total nonsens... (yeah, I love "..." :) )
 
Right before the fall,the population was around 80000.Half greeks,half armenians,jews,westerners and a few turkish merchants.
That had happened in the decades after the councl of Florence.Many who resisted the union with zeal,sought refuge to Mystra or the islands,where the unionists were virtually non existent.
Those refugees,encouraged by the first post1453 patriarch,an ardent anti-unionist,returned to the city in the 1450s,inflating its population largely.
 
Macedonia?

Something that noone (i think) has mentioned is that at 1419 Thessakoniki (the capital of Macedonia) belonged to Byz. Empire. Of course it was only the town and the suburbs but i think that was the majority of the population in Macedonia. After some years (1424) the people of Thessaloniki seeing the doom of their city to the Ottos decide to give their town to Venice in order protect themselves. Finally the the Ottos conquer the town at 1430 after a short siege. Since the majority of the population of Macrdonia eas in the Thessaloniki shouldn't change Macedonia in order to be more historical accurate?

I will post later some other details... :)

Thank you Konstantine
 
There is an event about Thessalonika and Venice. The general feeling was that in real life the Ottomans controlled almost all of both Thrace and Macedonia provinces (after all, their capital was in Edrine), and as Thrace had been given to the Byzantine Empire it makes more sense for Macedonia to be Ottoman. Without Macednia the Ottomans will be much weaker than they currently are, and as you point out the Byzantine Empire didn't extend beyond the outskirts of the city.
 
Yes, you are right... probably the thing that could happen is Macedonia to start without port and fewer population. An event at 1430 could restore the port and after years later the population.
 
Originally posted by gweinel
Yes, you are right... probably the thing that could happen is Macedonia to start without port and fewer population. An event at 1430 could restore the port and after years later the population.
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Unfortunately, events cannot add or remove ports.:(
 
From what I've read, Constantiople had a population of about 30,000 at the time of the fall. Very soon after, Mehmet began forcably movin people from all quarters of his empire to his new capital. It probably wasn't a majority anybody city.

There is, frankly, no way to do the OE historically correctly with this game engine.
 
I'd say it starts as Greek Orthodox, turns to Greek Moslem (mostly to boost the Ottomans, not for historical reasons) after they take it and then go to Turkish at around 1500.
 
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