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IGC Cultures

Vandelay mentioned in the Golden Horde thread that it may be a good idea to creat a "Tartar" culture, for the Crimean provinces. Also, I heard suggestions before to break up Iberian culture into Portuguese, Spanish, Catalonian, etc.

So what is everyone's thoughts on these ideas? Also, does anyone have any ideas for other new cultures the IGC2 should create?
 
Well I should say that we really need catalan culture, as the culture of the Kingdom of aragon wasn't the same as the one of Castile.
Then I don't see why we need Castilian and Portuguesse, althought it is a possibility.

For Catalan we can use the Canarian culture that is only used during 1 week of game as culture in canary.
 
Cultures to get rid of are in my opinion other than most the African ones are,
-Maltese
-Javan
-Sikh
-Cantonese (make alll Chinese provences Han)
-Mongol (it is very general I would like to see some cultures replace it)
-Most native cultrues

New Cultures I would like to see
-Tartar
-Sicilian
-Roman or Byzintine
 
Originally posted by Arnou
New Cultures I would like to see
-Tartar
-Sicilian
-Roman or Byzintine
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Roman or Byzantine sounds as general as mongol.
I don't see why Sicilian it should give more problems to Aragon/Spain when historically never had them.
 
As DarthMaur suggested, a polish/german culture for Hinterpommern, Küstrin, Danzig, and Schlesien.
 
Originally posted by Arnou
Cultures to get rid of are in my opinion other than most the African ones are,
-Maltese
-Javan
-Sikh
-Cantonese (make alll Chinese provences Han)
-Mongol (it is very general I would like to see some cultures replace it)
-Most native cultrues

New Cultures I would like to see
-Tartar
-Sicilian
-Roman or Byzintine
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Maltese was there for a reason i belive. I heard once they are quite distinct culture. Javan doesn't effectively exist, Cantonese have no effect on the game. Mongol is quite nice IMHO, as it is suppose to represent nomadic way of life. Which means Tartar should remain Mongol.
 
A lot of these cultural issues have been debated over in the EEP forum. Though no final decisions were taken (it was generally decided it was easier to leave cultures as they are, instead of opening Pandora's Box), there are a lot of important issues raised that would be pertinent to this discussion as well.
 
Re: IGC Cultures

Originally posted by Captain Krunch
Vandelay mentioned in the Golden Horde thread that it may be a good idea to creat a "Tartar" culture, for the Crimean provinces. Also, I heard suggestions before to break up Iberian culture into Portuguese, Spanish, Catalonian, etc.

So what is everyone's thoughts on these ideas? Also, does anyone have any ideas for other new cultures the IGC2 should create?
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Well, I for one, taking the minority opinion again I'm guessing, believe that Iberian culture should remain just that, Iberian. Although I am sure that the cuture of Aragon is differant than that of Castile and Portugal I believe it would only hamper the game play preformance.

If Castile was unable to gain wealth and manpower from Aragon or Catalonia or Portugal wasn't able to do the same for provinces taken from Castile we run into a real problem were Iberian expansion pretty much grinds to a halt.

Also, if we cut down the existing cultures every one and their uncle is going to be claiming that a certain area deserves its own culture, and we'll get to the point were nearly every provence has its own.

For Instance, I am sure that the the culture of Brandenburg is differant than that of Austria and both are seperate from that of, say, Hessen. Does that mean we should break up the "German" culture group?

Or, in a more modern example, it would be the same of taking the United States and breaking up "American Culture" into Texan, Californian, Midwestern, Southern, New England, and Wisconsinite. Although such culture distinctions do exist, and are even dramatic in some cases, it would be counter-productive to get that nit-picky.

Besides, I always see the cultures of EU2 as generalizations. "Iberian" is a meant to generalize a group of cultures which share a lot more in common with one another than they do with, say, Italian or French(which BOTH could be broken down just as easily, I am quiet sure). I think, in this case, we need to just let things be.
 
I can tell you there are the sme differences with the iberian cultures as thaey have with Italian
 
Northern Italian or Southern Italian? The traditions and dialects were pretty different. ;)
 
Originally posted by Arnou
Cultures to get rid of are in my opinion other than most the African ones are,
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I assume you mean the African cultures that no country gets as a state culture, and no inhabited province starts with, such as Aborigin? (I can't think of any of the African ones offhand, but I know there are quite a few.) I'd not be in favor of removing any of the cultures that are used, such as Mali and Yorumba.
-Cantonese (make alll Chinese provences Han)
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I can't agree; while China does get both Cantonese and Han cultures, Manchu does not, and the lack helps to keep them from penetrating too far into China.
-Most native cultrues
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I'd support merging the American cultures into no fewer than three groups - everything north of the Aztecs; the Aztecs, Maya, and Txlacala; and the Incas and Chimus - and even then only if truly necessary.
New Cultures I would like to see
...
-Sicilian
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It was my understanding (with, admittedly, no other source than these forums, so take this with a grain of salt) that if Sicily and Apulia were poorly represented by Italian, Greek would be an excellent choice.
-Roman or Byzintine
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In which provinces would this be a better choice than Greek?
 
Originally posted by Korath
Manchu does not, and the lack helps to keep them from penetrating too far into China.
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Manchu starts with Han and Manchu culture,and in XVII gets Cantonese. Of course, it doesn't get it from the start, but i hardly can see Manchu penetrating China:D
 
Instead of polish/german a more general germanized slavic could be used as well for bohemia (erz) and slovakia (pressburg) and silesia and kustrin. For Pommern perhaps Polabish/Kashubish/or_whatever_the_correct_name_is?
 
Originally posted by Kasperus
Instead of polish/german a more general germanized slavic could be used as well for bohemia (erz) and slovakia (pressburg) and silesia and kustrin. For Pommern perhaps Polabish/Kashubish/or_whatever_the_correct_name_is?
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There is a problem with state cultures, as it might be hard to decide which states should have it- for example, i rather doubt Pommern should get Pressburg culture;)
 
Originally posted by DarthMaur

There is a problem with state cultures, as it might be hard to decide which states should have it- for example, i rather doubt Pommern should get Pressburg culture;)
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yep, that`s why i didn`t include pommern in that list and speak of polabian/kashubish/.... instead. But for the other provinces it doesn`t seem such a problem and is imo better than to make it separate cultures for all - polish/german, baltic/german, czech/german, hunbgaro/german, slovako/german - as if u are consistent it would turn out into it.
 
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