Home Trending Latest threads New posts Developer diaries

AI Tech Sharing Mod Integration with CORE

Jump to latest Follow Reply
  • We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.
Originally posted by Burris
I tried it.. it makes the minors way to powerful. WAY to powerful.
Click to expand...

^_____

and

Originally posted by Steel
You can probably reduce the size considerably by using a persistent event for the effects, you could then remove all the stealtech commands except from 1 persistent event per donating country.

BTW the amount of techs shared seems a little high to me. In C.O.R.E. the US AI has nuclear weapons by 1943 and in vanilla HoI it tends to get there by 1944/1945. With these events and regular tech sharing I wouldn't be surprised to see countries like Bulgaria using nukes.
Click to expand...
 
Originally posted by YokoZar
Hmm...mayhaps you should slow it down a little, if you wish.

Personally, I prefer powerful to useless :D
Click to expand...

Yeah, but CORE is about "one scenario" for all nations. It would be quite easy to make one scenario visibly harder for european Axis, based on focused AI, some events and Allied tech-sharing. But actions like that make game totally unbalanced for other nations.

Probably in new versions we will prepare more 'dedicated' scenarios, but for now there is one 'balanced' scenario with few add-ons (Hard CORE) for more difficult play.
 
Well, if we had a beach representing each one at D-Day for a province in HOI, Canada would lose on Juno if there was a sole Juno beach province in HOI because without this mod, they probably wouldn't even have service rifles, let alone landing craft, by 1944.

Minors aren't way too powerful with this...they are just right. Maybe a small reduction of techs shared, but besides that, i love this.
 
Well, i must admit that i havent tried this yet, but i think that some more techs should be shared between allies. IMO, there should be some event that makes ENG share at least a number of basic infantry and artillery techs and doctrines with the Commonwealth nations, representing the use of English weaponry and officers and assistants in SAF, AST, NZL and CAN units.
Maybe i'd leave BEL, LUX, DEN and HOL out, and leave them share techs the original way... otherwise maybe its too much for GER. Also HOL and BEL army was not very important in WW2, you know.
 
there should be some event that makes ENG share at least a number of basic infantry and artillery techs and doctrines with the Commonwealth nations, representing the use of English weaponry and officers and assistants in SAF, AST, NZL and CAN units.
Click to expand...

Agree completely. They used much equipment in common and coordinated closely. UK would have lost war in 40-41 without strong help from CW countries.

Several months ago, I put together a 'Commonwealth Mod' that made UK, SAF, AST, NZL, and CAN all one big country -- even included the flags. That way, all tech was shared immediately and the UK player could coordinate all CW forces (at the time, it was for HOI 1.03 and the transport allies troops bug was not fixed) Also merged all CW leaders into the same file and made notations on country of origin if not UK. I played a few games and thought it worked quite well. Never pursued it much further, but if it were revived, I would contribute what I had put together to whomever was interested.
 
Originally posted by Marlborough
Agree completely. They used much equipment in common and coordinated closely. UK would have lost war in 40-41 without strong help from CW countries.

Several months ago, I put together a 'Commonwealth Mod' that made UK, SAF, AST, NZL, and CAN all one big country -- even included the flags. That way, all tech was shared immediately and the UK player could coordinate all CW forces (at the time, it was for HOI 1.03 and the transport allies troops bug was not fixed) Also merged all CW leaders into the same file and made notations on country of origin if not UK. I played a few games and thought it worked quite well. Never pursued it much further, but if it were revived, I would contribute what I had put together to whomever was interested.
Click to expand...

I think such a modification would work well for a player controlled UK it would take an incredible amount of work on the ai to to prevent it from getting even worse then it is now.

Ghost_dk
 
Well, at any rate, perhaps it should be made compatible as an addon module, which is what I designed it for in the first place.

I personally don't want to put any more effort into it, but if deathsai or someone else wants to move the conflicting CORE events (there should only be a couple) and keep my event space reserved, it shouldn't be very hard to do. I kept my files fairly well commented.

Good luck :)
 
The conflicting isn't a problem at all, as far as I've seen. I love this mod. It DOES work with Stony Road, BTW.

As for Stony Road, perhaps you should make a certain, "special" file for that mod, increasing more techs shared in Democratic nations as opposed to the Facist nations. Perhaps even the Comintern should share more techs, though Mongolia and Tannu Tanuva do not matter much in the Axis vs. Comintern war.

It would greatly enhance the difficulty, but thats what we want when we are stoned :D
 
Personally I think it's more than silly, it's just monty hall, ahistorical, and unrealistic in the extreme- based on both commonsense and technical problems nations would have. It's a nice bit of code, just not for me.
 
Little harsh there, amigo. I appreciate any effort someone puts into a mod, even if I don't use it.

I don't prefer this mod simply because I know that military/industrial technology is quite a guarded thing, even between great allies. Rather than give technology, nations prefer to actually give goods (read: lend-lease).
 
I didn't mean to be harsh, and as I said, it's a nice piece of code, just not something I'd like to use in a game that tried to be even a little semi-historical or semi-realistic... :)
 
Originally posted by jgbaxter
Personally I think it's more than silly, it's just monty hall, ahistorical, and unrealistic in the extreme- based on both commonsense and technical problems nations would have. It's a nice bit of code, just not for me.
Click to expand...

I disagree - tech-sharing between allies is the only way in HOI to simulate the supply of planes/tanks/land weapons by one major power to other countries ...

Do you really think that the Australian, South African or Canadian armies were only using weapons designed or manufactured by their countries ?
 
I'm afraid you just don't get what I'm saying... :)

Take for example Destroyers, Canada did not have the ability to build destroyers until the 40's, the reason is that as a nation Canada never needed them before, we had no shipyards of that size tooled to be able to deal with the relative difficulty, and the skill of the shipbuilders was not to the technical level needed to create them. So yes, eventually after several years of training and buidling of shipyards Canada could build destroyers (Tribal Class). However it's not instantaneous, even something as simple as a new rifle, you have to spend months having your instructors train and learn the weapon and then months more having the instructors teach the soldiers. It. Is. Not. Automatic.

I'm all for tech trading, but not to the extent where realism is thrown out. The idea that after even a year all tech from an alliance leader is automagically shared is in my opinion, bogus. I know some disagree, and I also know that many others agree with me on this.

Also the idea that everything is shared seems a illogical, a nation like Bulgaria (if part of the axis for example) would be able to learn all the tech Germany could produce at no further expense or trouble than waiting a year or what have you is way past sensible.

Lastly, tech-sharing between allies is not the way in HOI to simulate the supply of planes/tanks/land weapons by one major power to other countries. It's furthest from actuality as a technology in the game does not mean manpower or units are given and certainly not at 0 cost.

Anyway, once again, just my thoughts on the matter, no offence meant. :)
 
Tech sharing is okay, but only in a minor way.
Look at Yogi's New World Order Mod, after you have some industrial research finished it will be automatically shared with your allies and contrary.

I think for C.O.R.E Mod it could be expanded, so that the industrial and electronic techs could be automatically shared, this will be extremly good for the AI controlled countries, because I haven't seen the AI ever researched this techs, IIRC.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
Back